GT3/GT2 Performance and Track Discussion on the Porsche GT3 and GT2

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Old May 16, 2007 | 01:04 PM
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So when they come out with a 600 hp M5 you will be happy getting passed in your 530 hp GT2?

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Not really sure a 600hp M5 would out-drag a 530 hp GT2, between weight and driveline power loss.

Although "passing" is a somewhat vague term - on the steet, passing has more to do with nerve than with power. I'm sure you'd pass me on the street a lot.
 
Old May 16, 2007 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by buddyg
So when they come out with a 600 hp M5 you will be happy getting passed in your 530 hp GT2?

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I won't be happy just indifferent. Do you disagree that the more power a car packs the harder it is to manipulate when you are not moving in the straight line? I think that's the great thing about the GT2/3. You can focus on suspension, stiffness, handling and losing weight or you can add a ton of power and eat everything in the straight line AFTER the purchase.

I drive a boxster. There are VW golfs out there that are faster than my car but I don't really care. The way I see it I buy a car because it's fun to drive in all conditions and it appeals to me. Not in order to have the fastest car in road. Cause that never happenst afte all.

BTW the 507hp M5 is not much faster than the 420hp 996TT so I think that the 530hp GT2 can handle the 100hp handicap...
 
Old May 16, 2007 | 03:25 PM
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I think everyone are forgetting what Porsche is all about.. I guarentee HP isn't in the big picture when producing and devolping these cars, its so much more to it then that, and with their engineering they never need a car with 700 hp and torque to beat their competitors, they do it with far less!
 
Old May 16, 2007 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by iLLM3
I think everyone are forgetting what Porsche is all about.. I guarentee HP isn't in the big picture when producing and devolping these cars, its so much more to it then that, and with their engineering they never need a car with 700 hp and torque to beat their competitors, they do it with far less!
EXACTLY, porsche took a 415 hp car and a 485 hp horspower car and lapped the ring faster than the more hp and lighter Z06.
 
Old May 16, 2007 | 07:54 PM
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Any info on when the new GT2 will be available?
 
Old May 16, 2007 | 08:08 PM
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EXACTLY, porsche took a 415 hp car and a 485 hp horspower car and lapped the ring faster than the more hp and lighter Z06.
+1 to you and martin. porsche is so much more than brute power. so many companies (bmw, mb) think that just adding 100 hp and 2 more cylinders or much more displacement is the answer. well its not. things like gear ratios, wieght distribution, grip, aerodynamics, they all play a huge role, and IMO much more important than pure power. look at lotus, they have barely any hp by an of our standards, and they are fast as hell around the track. porshce looks at all aspects when the build their cars. a 530 hp car from porsche will behave more like a 600 or 630 hp car from ANY other car maker. and thats the truth. think about this. the 996 GT2 with 456 hp was just as fast if not faster than todays lambo G, and f430 and will still beat most cars out there. and oh yea, the 996 GT2 is still faster around the 'ring' than the current z06. proof of that can be found here...
http://www.motortrend.com/features/c...ck/index1.html

i think that when this car hits the road its gonna be one hell of a car than nothing else out there will touch it!
 
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Originally Posted by PorscheC4
+1 to you and martin. porsche is so much more than brute power. so many companies (bmw, mb) think that just adding 100 hp and 2 more cylinders or much more displacement is the answer. well its not. things like gear ratios, wieght distribution, grip, aerodynamics, they all play a huge role, and IMO much more important than pure power. look at lotus, they have barely any hp by an of our standards, and they are fast as hell around the track. porshce looks at all aspects when the build their cars. a 530 hp car from porsche will behave more like a 600 or 630 hp car from ANY other car maker. and thats the truth. think about this. the 996 GT2 with 456 hp was just as fast if not faster than todays lambo G, and f430 and will still beat most cars out there. and oh yea, the 996 GT2 is still faster around the 'ring' than the current z06. proof of that can be found here...
http://www.motortrend.com/features/c...ck/index1.html

i think that when this car hits the road its gonna be one hell of a car than nothing else out there will touch it!
WOW im even more impressed, ive been going by sportauto mag's 7:46 for the GT2, 7:42 is insanely fast!
 
Old May 16, 2007 | 08:16 PM
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the problem isnt the "lack of power" or the fact that the car should be better based on its overall capabilities, not just power...none of those statements are at question...but the car is capable of GOD KNOWS WHAT and rather than just put the checkmate on the market, they are holding back...Like I said before...580 hp would probably be MORE than enough to secure its position as the TOP DOG and those 50 hp CANNOT be hard to come by without screwing over the GT2s dynamics...do you see what I am sayin'?


Its kinda a, its there, but they just arent going to give it to you...its not like the new m3 which got 2 cyls. added to it to give it more power...
 
Old May 16, 2007 | 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by iLLM3
WOW im even more impressed, ive been going by sportauto mag's 7:46 for the GT2, 7:42 is insanely fast!
you know it man! 7:42 flat for the GT2 and 7:42,9 for the z06. so our "old" technology and generation car is still ahead of whats on the current market. this just goes to show Porsche cars dont need all the hp to BEAT the competition.
 
Old May 16, 2007 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by sechsgang
the problem isnt the "lack of power" or the fact that the car should be better based on its overall capabilities, not just power...none of those statements are at question...but the car is capable of GOD KNOWS WHAT and rather than just put the checkmate on the market, they are holding back...Like I said before...580 hp would probably be MORE than enough to secure its position as the TOP DOG and those 50 hp CANNOT be hard to come by without screwing over the GT2s dynamics...do you see what I am sayin'?


Its kinda a, its there, but they just arent going to give it to you...its not like the new m3 which got 2 cyls. added to it to give it more power...
i DO think they should not only go for the checkmate, but go in for the kill on everyone else who is going to come out with a car like this. 550 hp i think would do just that with everything else the GT2 has to offer. well see. i really hope Porsche really shows everyone up on this one, again!
 
Old May 16, 2007 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by PorscheC4
i DO think they should not only go for the checkmate, but go in for the kill on everyone else who is going to come out with a car like this. 550 hp i think would do just that with everything else the GT2 has to offer. well see. i really hope Porsche really shows everyone up on this one, again!

ya, Im glad you see what I mean...its like...the complete and utter demolition of competition is SOOO doable...I would just be dissapointed if they dont just take advantage of this opportunity.
 
Old May 16, 2007 | 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ScottKelly911
as much as I agree about Porsche not really pushing the envelope too far with this "underpowered" GT2, I think they want to leave people foaming at the mouth for the CGT replacement which will undoubtedly put to shame pretty much anything that's currently on the market. The GT2 on the other hand, I think will be an extremely formidable car in the twisties, on the track and sitting anywhere with a camera nearby. Can't wait for the official figures and release.
I hope you’re right…but what about this thing?

http://4wheelsblog.com/prototypes/caparo-t1-update

While I completely agree with those of you that Porsche does more with less – how can I not – facts are facts; I stand firmly with those of you who want the new GT2 to not just perform slightly better than the competition…we want Porsche to in a sense “check-mate” them. ‘Cause we all know that Ferrari & Lamborghini can build a hell of a car. Not to mention soon there will be the Audi R10, then there’s the GTR EVO, the Blue-Devil ‘vette, oh and the…there are so many choices it seems that we simply want the new GT2 to stand firmly above the rest.

Near CGT levels of performance is what some of us would like to see, and with ~3,267lbs to push, it’s going to need around 550-585 hp & similar torque to do that. And we all know they can reliably engineer that figure from the factory while making it as precise as the GT3/RS.

As for the CGT’s replacement, enough cannot be said about this dream machine if those stories are true. Rumor is the successor to the Enzo will have 750-800 naturally-aspirated horsepower. Does anyone think Porsche will actually build this thing with 950 hp?
 

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Originally Posted by iLLM3
WOW im even more impressed, ive been going by sportauto mag's 7:46 for the GT2, 7:42 is insanely fast!
Check out the all time record held by a Porsche 956 at 6:11! WOW!
 
Old May 17, 2007 | 08:50 AM
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Afraid I just dont get the dick-swinging element of 'Ive got more hp than you', surely its in the execution, not the paperwork?

Even with the 996 GT2 we're talking about a 2wd drive car here, nil traction control, so difficult enough to keep the power down from a standing start, yet the driving stats speak for themselves.

I believe the 997 GT2 will cane most cars around, bar the hypercars, even with 530 / 535 hp - the key is in the delivery of the power, improved spooling, shorter gear ratios etc. HP is just one piece of the overall equation. Other cars may have more, but really so what. Porsche could probably increase up the GT2 bhp, but again, why, just for the sake of it? I'd rather have a finely tuned machine thats designed to optmise all its qualities rather than an academic exercise in hp stats.

You guys get 'Top Trumps' playing cards in the US? It seems that MB and BMW are just playing to these sort of degrees of machismo.
 
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