You are right they can sell it for what ever they want or what the market will bear. However they have bear what damage they take by treating loyal customers like crap. Basically as Monster says these are high end loyal customers-many of whom have purchased many cars (sometimes several each year) that are being trashed by their dealers for a fast $50-$75K.

Other dealers are selling to other dealers. Dealers are working with customers to do quick flips while customers like Rich with documented deposits go with out cars. One loyal customer may make the dealership $40K or more a year in sales (and how much in service?), and the dealer alienates him for a quick onetime $50K. I have learned that the Porsche dealers and salesmen are no different than the cigarette puffing swearing Dodge guys. I thought they were different and I thought we paid for that. If I was a dealer I would have made sure I worked hard to fill every customer who had a deposit got their order filled. If I was PCNA I would have made sure those customers and my dealers worked to that end. What's going on now to me is rediculous and really has me thinking this is my last Pcar.

Sure this is a free market but the customer is also free to equate his dealership with being slimy. The flip side of a free market is- I am free to never do business with that dealer or brand again. And if that dealer/brand does trashes enough customers they are free to go out of business.
All the smart people tell us to study Economics 101-but as I understand it-if a business has no customers it has no business.

 

there is a diffrence between being on a list, and ordering a car
and a dealer actively going out to buy a car

 

just so you guys know, the reason why i am not directly responding to Rich's situation is because i don't know what actually happened. I could assume a bunch of things, but i'm not going to.

Monster, i appreciate the suggestions, i really do.

 

I think the people with grievances should start a thread because Manhattan is a paying vendor and they are trying to sell a car on this thread. We would hate to scare away potential customers. If you got ripped off start a thread like the Brandywine fiasco then you get more attention.

Aloha

Byron

 

If this is the case,what dealer did you get this allocation from?
Rich

 

That's just corect Byron , respect for the paying vendors around, but that doesn't mean a vendor should flood the forum with its offers in other places then the *for sale* area.

Sorry again for being an ******* on Steve's thread.

 

Rich

Speak to the manager tomorrow. I don't think he's going to disclose that information because it serves no purpose to anyone.

 

I may be wrong here, and I apologize if so, but I'm not certain that MMC is actually the sponsor. It's appeared to me since Steve became a site sponsor that he is personally the sponsor, not MMC. Which is a great idea, he sells high end cars, and we're for the most part a captive audience to the high end market. In which case there should be no reason for Steve to get beat up on this thread, it appears to me that he's on here to sell cars, not be MMC's mouth. But again, I could be wrong.

 

MMC is the sponser

but because i have been on here for so long, and have a personal repor with a lot of you guys, i represent MMC fully.

I don't feel like i'm getting attacked at all, maybe being pushed to the wall a little, but that's ok because i understand COMPLETELY where Rich is coming from, and im eager to meet him in person tomorrow.

 

It serves no purpose to you and to the selling dealer. It serves a great purpose to the people you guys make your living from. When you disclose that information we know that you are telling the truth and more importantly it exposes a dealer who sold a car for a large profit instead of selling it to a loyal customer(unless they did not have anyone that wanted it )and there are no consequences for them because no one knows that they did it. They just say "We did not get an allocation, sorry."
Rich

 

I guess if it is not in the for sale area (where it should be)then discussions can be about anything.
Thanks for the clarification.

Aloha

Byron

 

Rich, we did get an allocation though. And it was filled before your turn came.
Simple as that.

This Orange GT3 is an allocation we baught to meet demand.
Im not going to go back and forth on this anymore.

Other people, just like who, who were on our list , and have not been able to order a car, have an opportunity to purchase this car for the asking price.

 

So, how much in real $ do you want for the car?

Jim Huber

 

$210,000 ....

 

RS is a sweet car. +75 over not a chance I would do it and I am stupid when it comes to cars and watches...+75k over for a 430 sure as I know I have limited downside...Porsche always pulls the same BS these cars will be on the way down sooner then later then they may slightly recover ala the CGT they are up in price again now