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A question for Underground Racing
Now I know that these guys are the best in the business when it comes to building big power lambos, I've been following them since they first started up and they've come a long way since then, the power from these beasts now is incredible.
However, I've been watching some of these crazy rich russians who order such builds and ship them over to compete in the Moscow Unlim 500 events and it's got me thinking, why do they feel the need to and also, why are they able to improve on these builds with russian tuning companies.
The Lamborghini that broke the record recently (Stated at 2005hp) was taken to Altechno to be "finished off" as stated by the owner. He said they revised the fueling and cooling systems, and also wrote the firmware for the ECU. It's a similar story with Dmitrys Lamborghini which was the previous record holder, it blew up, they refused to send the parts back for UGR to diagnose/fix, but then when they fixed it themselves they seemed to come out with a faster car than the previous package (I hear this car blew up again btw.)
I know this is a long winded question, but surely if these customers request the best build possible from UGR, and UGR are the best in the business, these builds shouldn't have any room for improvement?
Am I missing something here?
However, I've been watching some of these crazy rich russians who order such builds and ship them over to compete in the Moscow Unlim 500 events and it's got me thinking, why do they feel the need to and also, why are they able to improve on these builds with russian tuning companies.
The Lamborghini that broke the record recently (Stated at 2005hp) was taken to Altechno to be "finished off" as stated by the owner. He said they revised the fueling and cooling systems, and also wrote the firmware for the ECU. It's a similar story with Dmitrys Lamborghini which was the previous record holder, it blew up, they refused to send the parts back for UGR to diagnose/fix, but then when they fixed it themselves they seemed to come out with a faster car than the previous package (I hear this car blew up again btw.)
I know this is a long winded question, but surely if these customers request the best build possible from UGR, and UGR are the best in the business, these builds shouldn't have any room for improvement?
Am I missing something here?
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Now I know that these guys are the best in the business when it comes to building big power lambos, I've been following them since they first started up and they've come a long way since then, the power from these beasts now is incredible.
However, I've been watching some of these crazy rich russians who order such builds and ship them over to compete in the Moscow Unlim 500 events and it's got me thinking, why do they feel the need to and also, why are they able to improve on these builds with russian tuning companies.
The Lamborghini that broke the record recently (Stated at 2005hp) was taken to Altechno to be "finished off" as stated by the owner. He said they revised the fueling and cooling systems, and also wrote the firmware for the ECU. It's a similar story with Dmitrys Lamborghini which was the previous record holder, it blew up, they refused to send the parts back for UGR to diagnose/fix, but then when they fixed it themselves they seemed to come out with a faster car than the previous package (I hear this car blew up again btw.)
I know this is a long winded question, but surely if these customers request the best build possible from UGR, and UGR are the best in the business, these builds shouldn't have any room for improvement?
Am I missing something here?
However, I've been watching some of these crazy rich russians who order such builds and ship them over to compete in the Moscow Unlim 500 events and it's got me thinking, why do they feel the need to and also, why are they able to improve on these builds with russian tuning companies.
The Lamborghini that broke the record recently (Stated at 2005hp) was taken to Altechno to be "finished off" as stated by the owner. He said they revised the fueling and cooling systems, and also wrote the firmware for the ECU. It's a similar story with Dmitrys Lamborghini which was the previous record holder, it blew up, they refused to send the parts back for UGR to diagnose/fix, but then when they fixed it themselves they seemed to come out with a faster car than the previous package (I hear this car blew up again btw.)
I know this is a long winded question, but surely if these customers request the best build possible from UGR, and UGR are the best in the business, these builds shouldn't have any room for improvement?
Am I missing something here?
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if you want to go 280 mph or faster take 3rd stage ... for the mile,I imagine that with the help of altecno have been rather more slow .. and have broken up the engine .. these **** Russians have no brain
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Would be nice to hear Underground Racing's take on this.
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I don't think that's a fair viewpoint, yes one blew up but I believe it blew up before it had been altered by Total Race, then again after it had been fixed, I guess the guy just runs it too hard. The fact is, after it had been altered it was faster and the guy said it felt better to drive. The second one done by Altechno has had no issues.
They used the vodka because it has a lower freezing point than water, so they stuck it in liquid nitrogen then used it in the cooling system for that one record attempt I imagine.
in, the dashing has been in 0800 meters at 225 mph not at full strength with a guy with no experience, that speed has reached the dashing Russian Stage 2? I have dry finger .... because I suck my thumb
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Would be nice to hear Underground Racing's take on this.
They used the vodka because it has a lower freezing point than water, so they stuck it in liquid nitrogen then used it in the cooling system for that one record attempt I imagine.
in, the dashing has been in 0800 meters at 225 mph not at full strength with a guy with no experience, that speed has reached the dashing Russian Stage 2? I have dry finger .... because I suck my thumb
....?
Would be nice to hear Underground Racing's take on this.
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Now I know that these guys are the best in the business when it comes to building big power lambos, I've been following them since they first started up and they've come a long way since then, the power from these beasts now is incredible.
However, I've been watching some of these crazy rich russians who order such builds and ship them over to compete in the Moscow Unlim 500 events and it's got me thinking, why do they feel the need to and also, why are they able to improve on these builds with russian tuning companies.
The Lamborghini that broke the record recently (Stated at 2005hp) was taken to Altechno to be "finished off" as stated by the owner. He said they revised the fueling and cooling systems, and also wrote the firmware for the ECU. It's a similar story with Dmitrys Lamborghini which was the previous record holder, it blew up, they refused to send the parts back for UGR to diagnose/fix, but then when they fixed it themselves they seemed to come out with a faster car than the previous package (I hear this car blew up again btw.)
I know this is a long winded question, but surely if these customers request the best build possible from UGR, and UGR are the best in the business, these builds shouldn't have any room for improvement?
Am I missing something here?
However, I've been watching some of these crazy rich russians who order such builds and ship them over to compete in the Moscow Unlim 500 events and it's got me thinking, why do they feel the need to and also, why are they able to improve on these builds with russian tuning companies.
The Lamborghini that broke the record recently (Stated at 2005hp) was taken to Altechno to be "finished off" as stated by the owner. He said they revised the fueling and cooling systems, and also wrote the firmware for the ECU. It's a similar story with Dmitrys Lamborghini which was the previous record holder, it blew up, they refused to send the parts back for UGR to diagnose/fix, but then when they fixed it themselves they seemed to come out with a faster car than the previous package (I hear this car blew up again btw.)
I know this is a long winded question, but surely if these customers request the best build possible from UGR, and UGR are the best in the business, these builds shouldn't have any room for improvement?
Am I missing something here?
Frankly I have never seen progress and improvements stand still.As for one of these motors "blowing up" and then being rebuilt. If a motor like this truly blew up or scattered I highly doubt there would be much left to rebuild.
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What you are missing is progress as time marches on. The next one is usually better. Frankly I have never seen progress and improvements stand still.
As for one of these motors "blowing up" and then being rebuilt. If a motor like this truly blew up or scattered I highly doubt there would be much left to rebuild.
Frankly I have never seen progress and improvements stand still.As for one of these motors "blowing up" and then being rebuilt. If a motor like this truly blew up or scattered I highly doubt there would be much left to rebuild.
That still doesn't explain the improvements to fuelling and cooling made on a freshly built UGR 2R that was shipped to russia (we are talking a timescale of a few weeks). The essence of my question was, how are these russian tuners able to find improvements to make on these cars straight away, when they are built by the best in the business in the first place.
As for the blowing up part I didn't mean it in the literal sense
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It's a given that as time goes on these things get faster and more advanced.
That still doesn't explain the improvements to fuelling and cooling made on a freshly built UGR 2R that was shipped to russia (we are talking a timescale of a few weeks). The essence of my question was, how are these russian tuners able to find improvements to make on these cars straight away, when they are built by the best in the business in the first place.
As for the blowing up part I didn't mean it in the literal sense
That still doesn't explain the improvements to fuelling and cooling made on a freshly built UGR 2R that was shipped to russia (we are talking a timescale of a few weeks). The essence of my question was, how are these russian tuners able to find improvements to make on these cars straight away, when they are built by the best in the business in the first place.
As for the blowing up part I didn't mean it in the literal sense
They have not done anything to make the car faster or run cooler. I have seen the data logs of the before and after of the IC temps. Just like the first car that went to Total Race, after these cars were changed up, they blew up. I warned these guys not to change anything on our setup or they would possibly hurt their car, they did it any way and they blew up. Now the owner of the Orange car wants to put it just like it was when it left here and listen to me other than the Tuner that thinks he has the better idea. Hopefully he does that. Thanks.
If you are so interested to know ALL the details, give me a call at 704-361-3443. Hopefully you are not some AE just trying to stir something up.
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Your first post is inaccurate on some of the details you posted. Like the "owner saying the car was finished off" That is inaccurate just to name one. The guy you are talking about it not the owner. He has 2nd hand information as do you.
They have not done anything to make the car faster or run cooler. I have seen the data logs of the before and after of the IC temps. Just like the first car that went to Total Race, after these cars were changed up, they blew up. I warned these guys not to change anything on our setup or they would possibly hurt their car, they did it any way and they blew up. Now the owner of the Orange car wants to put it just like it was when it left here and listen to me other than the Tuner that thinks he has the better idea. Hopefully he does that. Thanks.
If you are so interested to know ALL the details, give me a call at 704-361-3443. Hopefully you are not some AE just trying to stir something up.
They have not done anything to make the car faster or run cooler. I have seen the data logs of the before and after of the IC temps. Just like the first car that went to Total Race, after these cars were changed up, they blew up. I warned these guys not to change anything on our setup or they would possibly hurt their car, they did it any way and they blew up. Now the owner of the Orange car wants to put it just like it was when it left here and listen to me other than the Tuner that thinks he has the better idea. Hopefully he does that. Thanks.
If you are so interested to know ALL the details, give me a call at 704-361-3443. Hopefully you are not some AE just trying to stir something up.
Just to be clear I'm not trying to stir anything, I was genuinely interested in why these cars are modified further when they get to Russia. I'm only going by what I see in videos, maybe it's some sort of pride of nation thing where they want make it seem like their tuners can improve on these cars.
You guys make some incredible machines and I hope to do business with you one day!
By the way the guy in the video explaining this is Leonid right, is he not the owner of the car?
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It's a given that as time goes on these things get faster and more advanced.
That still doesn't explain the improvements to fuelling and cooling made on a freshly built UGR 2R that was shipped to russia (we are talking a timescale of a few weeks). The essence of my question was, how are these russian tuners able to find improvements to make on these cars straight away, when they are built by the best in the business in the first place.
As for the blowing up part I didn't mean it in the literal sense
That still doesn't explain the improvements to fuelling and cooling made on a freshly built UGR 2R that was shipped to russia (we are talking a timescale of a few weeks). The essence of my question was, how are these russian tuners able to find improvements to make on these cars straight away, when they are built by the best in the business in the first place.
As for the blowing up part I didn't mean it in the literal sense
I can understand what Underground is saying about don't change their work/design .... especially if you don't have a clue as to the design of the individual parts and how they integrate with the whole. In other words, the Russian doesn't have a clue as to what is the weakest link as I'm sure he didn't have the blueprints.
So many people claim to know what they are doing, but when a motor starts approaching the outer limits ...... most of them don't have a clue. I am speaking from experience. Never built a motor as powerful as what Underground has built .... but we are not too very far behind. https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ml#post3963958
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