Last year's production Viper - 712.xx, and their production track car (ACRX)...

703.xx

Ouch.

 

Wow, Lexus must have had the shortest reign at the Nurburgring yet. Well at least it got the competition going again.

 

Wow...that is a phenomenal time. The only Dodge product that I'd ever even remotely consider.


http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...emably-stupid/

 

On a longer track, there are so many variables. Judging a car by lap time is pointless.

 

I was going to mention this... No need to anymore. The Viper is doing very well.
lol! Competition is always good. But is a $120k Viper really competing with a $450k Lexus (including 'Ring package).

 

I'm happy for both mfg's being at the top of the Ring leaderboard. The LFA has grown on me and I really like the looks of the Ring package on the monster that did that incredible 7:14 on normal tires.

Those ACR's are just beasts though. If the out of production, 2 year old Viper is this nasty you better believe the next model ACR will be a sub 7 sec monster.

 

This is the way I see it.

Racecars:
Porsche 956 - 6:11.13 (undisputed champ)

Road-legal lightweight track cars:
1.Radical SR8LM - 6:48
2.Radical SR8 - 6:55
3.Donkervoort D8 RS - 7:14.89

TUV-approved cars with semi-slick cup/corsa tyres and/or large aerodynamic appendages (wings, as opposed to spoilers, + diveplanes + undertrays etc.):
1.Gumpert Apollo Speed - 7:11.57
2.Viper 2010 ACR - 7:12.13
3.LFA 'ring edtn - 7:14.64
4.GT2 RS - 7:18
5.ZR1 2010 - 7:19.63

TUV-approved cars with summer tyres and only mild aerodynamic performance:
1.2012 GTR - 7:24.22
2.MC12 - 7:24.29
3.Zonda F CS - 7:24.65
4.Enzo - 7:25.21
5.ZR1 2008 - 7:26.4

 

I approve this classification.

 

It is flawed in a way because technically I could have split the ACR's class into 3 separate ones, namely:

a) semi-slicks only with the GT2 RS as the leader;
b) strong aerodynamic downforce aids only with the Apollo as the leader; and
c) all of the above, in which case the Apollo still leads since it would only get faster with semi-slicks.

 

13 miles isn't long enough for you? Judging a car by lap times is pointless, unless you want to ascertain it's capabilities.

 

cup tires are not semi-slicks...not even close.

 

I always thought the general consensus was that PSCs and Corsas were semi-slicks?

Anyway I think most people generally differentiate between PSCs & Corsas and other tires.

 

He's saying "on a longer track" where nurburgring would qualify as a "longer track" .

Nurburgring is also known for being a very high speed track so that's something to consider. Where a car may perform significantly well at 100+mph it may do poorly in comparison on a course that's average speed is 30mph under.

I'm not sure where this obsession comes from with a street car comparison on a notably high speed course. And then I'll come in with the clich'e "It's not like we can drive @ those speeds often on the street"

 

Thanks for posting this! I really like the breakdown. Now if only there was a official classification to end all the non-sense it would be so much better.

 

Congrats to Lexus on this achievement, but I still think LFA is crazy overpriced. My main issue with the LFA is styling, it just doesn't look like a $400k car should. Put a Ferrari or Lambo next to it and there is no comparison, LFA looks like something out of fast & furious set. Same goes for GT-R, awesome car but ugly as sin. Spending so much money on R&D, you'd think Lexus and Nissan could've hired some Italians to design the damn thing.