Indeed. 16s off the factory time. Did Porsche cheat with the Turbo?
I don't know, the ZR1's suspension is much better than that of the Z06, as are the brakes. But it's hard to beat a Z06, with Penske coilovers, decent rubber and better brakes. Those were the only 3 items that GM screwed up on.

 

What year Z06 was tested? And the Z06 requires alot of seat time to get around the horrible tires they come with from the factory and its propensity to oversteer...probably the hardest car to extract fast laps from.

I guess it does take some driver skill to get the best from the GTR, but he said there was a few seconds left not 11 seconds. And I am so upset right now my dreams of buying a GTR and being able to corner like Lewis Hamilton have been dashed....

No one ever said the GTR wasn't an amazingly capable car, I just said its not an ACR, ZR1, CGT comparable car. Which the 7:27 time would say it was, or better yet Nissan's lies say it is. On any given day the 997TT, Z06, and GTR are going to have strengths and weaknesses, and the 997 TT is the benchmark the GTR aspires to. But its not a CGT or GT2 destroyer that they make it out to be.

 

<p>I think Porsche are trying to be like GM. They're insolvent.
It doesn't have the same endurance traits but in a time attack it can give them a run for their money:
http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php...=46a06c22ab41a
http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php...=4571de270cef9
If you look you'll also notice that the CGT is 2s slower than the GT2 on the Vairano course, which proves that this is not an exact science.

 

The ZO6 was tested by SportAuto in 2006 using a 2005 spec car. They car used also wasnt your average healthy example, that particular car was only able to do a 4.5 sec 0-100 km/h which is extremely slow for a Corvette ZO6.

Nissan simply exaggerated and modified its car way too much when they timed the GTR, they simply got greedy. No publication has been able to get close to the GTR's Nissan ring time, the closest one has been HvS with a ring time close to a Porsche GT3 v a Porsche Carrera GT. The GT2 has easily beated it twice already, and this car has an official time of 7:32.

 

Probably the one post that makes sense. Common Sense morano..........
Again wether the GTR is running 7:27 or 8:27 it is inline with those other cars and somedays it will have a better time and other days it wont. It is much faster than the car Nissan set out to compare it to.
Now that this time of 7:38 is around( and the driver said it has more in it ) this time from Nissan really doesnt look that crazy. It just proved to me that 1. Porsche and others couldnt drive the GTR as well (even though this car is supposed to be sooo easy to drive) or 2. had another agenda which was to smear Nissans name for its sake. Oldest trick in the book -deny deny deny
Either way alot of people will have to do some backtracking (morano)
Do I feel Nissan Cheated......its possible but with this new independent time its seems Porsche may have sandbagged on purpose.

 

A 7:38 is not close to the time Nissan posted? I am not talking about the 2010 GTR but the 2009 car. wasnt its time 7:32 or something? That is pretty close. That is also pretty close to the GT2 time.

All I am saying is these times are less than 6secs apart.

Again I am not comparing the GTR to a carrera GT, enzo, etc...Your fault in those comparisons lie with the magazines and journalist not from the sensible people on this forum. In that case you could say the same about a 997tt being compared to the carrera GT, enzo, etc... Its a complex people have about a car costing x times less than a supercar and beating it.

 

Well if HVS can nail a 7:38 in a 4000lb GT-R on factory tires, straight up, then it positively ****s all over the Z06, tires and all. The 911 turbo might as well not turn up.

Let's assume that Nissan has lied about their 7:27. Effectively this makes their 7:27 irrelevant. Great! So now can examine Sportauto's results in isolation.

In which case the Z06 is nowhere near the GT-R's league. The 911 turbo is not even worth discussing and we have to turn to Porsche's fastest, most powerful and most expensive 911 to give the GT-R a run for it's money.

Yourself and Monaro have spent the last year quoting HVS' fahrberichte lap time ad nauseum. Monaro has made almost a 100 posts claiming that the GT-R will NEVER see a lap time below 7:40.

Now that HVS has turned in a 7:38 (and believes a faster time is possible) you have started your now familiar dance around reality..

For the rest of us the case is now closed. 7:27 or not. The GT-R has delivered a final and devistating blow to it's competitors and naysayers alike.

Better start digging for a new conspiracy theory now.

 

Why is that? Even the lower powered GT3 has already been able to beat the GTR in a head to head test along with the GT2. If the GTR cant even keep up with the GT2 then it it might as well not turn up against the CGT and finally admit that the 7:27 time was fudged.

Well Sport Auto has drive the GTR twice, the first time the car went 7:50 this time around it went 7:38, which is still far slower than Nissan's highly exagerated claims.



Sport Auto has only driven the ZO6 once and in that time it was able to beat the GTR's first time. Forget the Turbo, the GT3 is trouble enough for the GTR.


Oh wow I was 2 seconds off. Now you and the other Nissan fanboys show me an independent GTR lapping a 7:27

 

Like i said, Keep dancing.

We are all getting used to this.

 

The GT3 is faster than the Turbo on track.

 

And apparently the GT3 is also faster than the GTR in a head to head test.

 

See, you do invade GTR posts, just like I researched. Lame and pathetic.

 

I sense a bromance brewing!

 

You know it!

 

When the steering wheel is on the wrong side and the driver admits to screwing up.

The funny thing here is that if the GTR had ran 7:48, the Sport Auto test would be the definitive GTR time for the Nurburgring and you'd say how the GT3 was 8s faster. As it is, reality is stepping on your dreams.