A3076 vs. A28 vs. K16G vs. K24 Dyno Overlay
#31
K16/G vs A28... makes me feel like comparing the GT35 versus the GT35R I had on my RX-7's. The water cooled dual ball bearing turbo spooled up significantly faster than it's journal bearing counterpart.
#32
35 and a 35r are same size turbos lol. K16 is a smaller turbo then a Alpha28. Alphas use newer technology which is why its more efficient.
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#33
#34
I have heard first hand accounts of several guys with 3076s including
Marek and they converge on the a3076s spoolin like craaazy!
The 935 race car of the 80s made around 800 whp and weighed
2000 lbs. It had more lag then the 3076s. There were a few brave
men who could drive that car and some of them died.
The 917/30 weighed 2000 lbs and made 1580 whp @ 40psi.
It could do the 0 - 200 mph sprint in 10 seconds.........in 1973.
Again, it killed a few world class drivers. Comparatively, the 996
with a pair of 3076s on the track is kindergarten stuff. It would in
no way, be a carefree enjoyable experience and a moderately skilled
driver would be hard pressed to get much out of them, tuned or not.
Hans Stuck would probably prefer them over the rest of the lineup
but few of us are Hans Stuck. Especially on this board.
Marek and they converge on the a3076s spoolin like craaazy!
The 935 race car of the 80s made around 800 whp and weighed
2000 lbs. It had more lag then the 3076s. There were a few brave
men who could drive that car and some of them died.
The 917/30 weighed 2000 lbs and made 1580 whp @ 40psi.
It could do the 0 - 200 mph sprint in 10 seconds.........in 1973.
Again, it killed a few world class drivers. Comparatively, the 996
with a pair of 3076s on the track is kindergarten stuff. It would in
no way, be a carefree enjoyable experience and a moderately skilled
driver would be hard pressed to get much out of them, tuned or not.
Hans Stuck would probably prefer them over the rest of the lineup
but few of us are Hans Stuck. Especially on this board.
#35
I thought the alpha series turbos were supposed to reach max boost at 3.5k ish.. Looks Like all these turbos are peaking at 4.5k? Maybe I'm reading this wrong. Can someone explain?
#36
and 1.6 bar at 3200 - 3500 in 3rd.
#37
#38
I wish I could hit boost in the same rpm 3rd and 4th!
Are you hitting full boost in 3rd same as 4th?
If so what the ****
Howz that possible?
There's a 10 mph difference, too tired to calculate rpms right now
#39
Here's what I do know.
I never bought into bigger weights equal bigger muscles.
Most guys in the gym, the boards and competitors said
I was crazy. I never went past 25 lb dumbells for curls
2 plates on each side for low low incline and squat ( performed on the smith
and stuck to 1 or 2 movements per body part with 3 warmups and 2
working sets. I'm 6'4 and for 5 years I was 5% bf @ 250+ year around.
Next thing you know, it caught on lol.
Same goes for bigger turbo - bigger performance.
A big horsepower- big turbo setup is gonna lose to a smaller turbo that's
done smart, using far less hp and a different approach.
I never bought into bigger weights equal bigger muscles.
Most guys in the gym, the boards and competitors said
I was crazy. I never went past 25 lb dumbells for curls
2 plates on each side for low low incline and squat ( performed on the smith
and stuck to 1 or 2 movements per body part with 3 warmups and 2
working sets. I'm 6'4 and for 5 years I was 5% bf @ 250+ year around.
Next thing you know, it caught on lol.
Same goes for bigger turbo - bigger performance.
A big horsepower- big turbo setup is gonna lose to a smaller turbo that's
done smart, using far less hp and a different approach.
Last edited by layinback; 05-14-2013 at 04:24 AM.
#40
turbos are spooled by thermal energy. It takes load to produce this. You see boost quicker in higher gears do to this fact.
#41
Most people get caught up with a turbo size and forget to treat everything as a system. The wrong or right turbo combined with the wrong IC's, fuel system, tune, exhaust, etc.. will perform poorly.
Higher load in the higher gears will yield a quicker spool. It is very important to show data logs or dyno charts that are in the same gear otherwise, you cannot compare..
#42
BUT a bigger turbo "done smart" will yield a bigger result
Most people get caught up with a turbo size and forget to treat everything as a system. The wrong or right turbo combined with the wrong IC's, fuel system, tune, exhaust, etc.. will perform poorly.
Higher load in the higher gears will yield a quicker spool. It is very important to show data logs or dyno charts that are in the same gear otherwise, you cannot compare..
Most people get caught up with a turbo size and forget to treat everything as a system. The wrong or right turbo combined with the wrong IC's, fuel system, tune, exhaust, etc.. will perform poorly.
Higher load in the higher gears will yield a quicker spool. It is very important to show data logs or dyno charts that are in the same gear otherwise, you cannot compare..
#43
Here's what I do know.
I never bought into bigger weights equal bigger muscles.
Most guys in the gym, the boards and competitors said
I was crazy. I never went past 25 lb dumbells for curls
2 plates on each side for low low incline and squat ( performed on the smith
and stuck to 1 or 2 movements per body part with 3 warmups and 2
working sets. I'm 6'4 and for 5 years I was 5% bf @ 250+ year around.
Next thing you know, it caught on lol.
Same goes for bigger turbo - bigger performance.
A big horsepower- big turbo setup is gonna lose to a smaller turbo that's
done smart, using far less hp and a different approach.
I never bought into bigger weights equal bigger muscles.
Most guys in the gym, the boards and competitors said
I was crazy. I never went past 25 lb dumbells for curls
2 plates on each side for low low incline and squat ( performed on the smith
and stuck to 1 or 2 movements per body part with 3 warmups and 2
working sets. I'm 6'4 and for 5 years I was 5% bf @ 250+ year around.
Next thing you know, it caught on lol.
Same goes for bigger turbo - bigger performance.
A big horsepower- big turbo setup is gonna lose to a smaller turbo that's
done smart, using far less hp and a different approach.
news flash,i also competed at the npc level won tons . walked around at 235 at 8% at 5'6 now at 215.. but you wont hear me talking about it over and over to let the world know... who cares.
oh and by the way , the really light weight super high reps , works only for a very small percentage of people. in 90% of the time it will over tax the CNS and you will overtrain. i may not know porsches like Tim or a few other knowledgable cats but i do know my diet and training...
PS.. smith machine squats are for girls....
#44
"done smart" isn't very hard if you have half a clue. Smart is in the tune.
Hard parts make a difference but, trust me, these motors are no different than any other motor. If you treat everything as a system, you will get it to work.
That being said, I don't see anything in your list of mods that anyone else can't make or buy. So, hats of to Markski for a good tune on your car.
Enough about working out, gym routines, how big you are, how much you can bench press or squat. It is only important to you because that is your world. Join the ranks of ironman triathlons, spinting,cycling, basketball, baseball or marathons and your stats aren't so impressive. Get it? no offense, just don't see where it fits in here?
Regarding the dyno charts and overlays, tough to compare as there are way to many variables. Throw all these cars on E85, add some real timing and you will see some very different numbers.
Hard parts make a difference but, trust me, these motors are no different than any other motor. If you treat everything as a system, you will get it to work.
That being said, I don't see anything in your list of mods that anyone else can't make or buy. So, hats of to Markski for a good tune on your car.
Enough about working out, gym routines, how big you are, how much you can bench press or squat. It is only important to you because that is your world. Join the ranks of ironman triathlons, spinting,cycling, basketball, baseball or marathons and your stats aren't so impressive. Get it? no offense, just don't see where it fits in here?
Regarding the dyno charts and overlays, tough to compare as there are way to many variables. Throw all these cars on E85, add some real timing and you will see some very different numbers.
#45
you must have self confidence issues , becuase every instance you get , you try and tell us how rich you are, or how your a fighter, or how big you are.. over and over again...
news flash,i also competed at the npc level won tons . walked around at 235 at 8% at 5'6 now at 215.. but you wont hear me talking about it over and over to let the world know... who cares.
oh and by the way , the really light weight super high reps , works only for a very small percentage of people. in 90% of the time it will over tax the CNS and you will overtrain. i may not know porsches like Tim or a few other knowledgable cats but i do know my diet and training...
PS.. smith machine squats are for girls....
news flash,i also competed at the npc level won tons . walked around at 235 at 8% at 5'6 now at 215.. but you wont hear me talking about it over and over to let the world know... who cares.
oh and by the way , the really light weight super high reps , works only for a very small percentage of people. in 90% of the time it will over tax the CNS and you will overtrain. i may not know porsches like Tim or a few other knowledgable cats but i do know my diet and training...
PS.. smith machine squats are for girls....
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I don't suggest super high reps for anyone. Just 15-20 for intense
warmup to reduce myostatin. ( growth inhibiting protein) medical studies
back this up. Failure in the 7-9 rep range with slow concentric, eccentric
and static. Usually 4 seconds total per rep. and an immediate drop set
to failure in the 7-9 rep range. This is for bbing only and doesn't lend
itself to overall conditioning / strength building. There are a ton of pros
and high level amateurs who do similar. Your being 5'6 obviously gives
you the mesomorph advantage and you have a lot of fast twitch muscle
fiber. You are going to build mass no matter what you do!
for me, it's all about experiences and pushing yourself beyond perceived
limits.
and of course I have esteem issues, don't you? You just admitted to being
a competitive bodybuilder and it's a given you drive a Porsche lol
Yes, smith machine squats are for girls. Load the smith with two 45 plates
on each side of the smith. Take 4 seconds to lower, 2 seconds to raise
and squeeze the quads at the top for 1 second ( of course without locking
out your knees) do 20 reps like this. Rest 45 seconds and do it again.
Do a total of 5 sets. BTW, you must have some pretty tough girls in
your neck of the woods.