Well, everyone's entitled to his opinion. I very well know the watch industry being a watch enthusiast. You think my logic is flawed, I think yours is.

The watch maker had to make a come back, it was their bread and butter. Late M.Hayek was practically given the Swatch groups by bankers who owned bankrupt companies not knowing what to do with them.

Fast forward to today, I don't see any struggling transmission companies looking to make a living. Just like I don't see any struggling air cooled engine companies trying to bring those backs.

Sure enough, if there is enough demand, the car makers should start making them again. That's economy 101 and the only thing I can agree with. However, I didn't see any MT Ferrari or Lambo in years. If cars enthusiast couldn't change the mind of the makers of 300,000$ cars, why would makers of 100,000$ care?

The advantages of the PDK are numerous, but there are particularly good where it counts, costs, fuel economy and performance. Fuel economy being the main point here. With so much pressure on cars manufacturers to lower fuel consumption, I fear the MT is doomed. Maybe some special edition projects will get them. But R&D on those will stop and ultimately, they'll disappear. Heck, even Caterham started using PDK style tranny!

I hope I'm wrong. But I don't believe my logic is flawed.

 

Interesting that in the Turbo Forum most folks seem to understand the utility of a manual and why a car buyer might be upset about losing the choice of getting one. In the 991 forum for suggesting that Porsche made the decision to no longer offer both a manual and PDK in the GT3 or turbo was being completely old fashioned and denying the virtues of progress and backwards thinking. I really like the quartz watch response.

Porsche lets you customize the heck out of their cars but won't let you get a manual in their highest performancing vehicles.

 

Darth, no offense intended. I believe we are in the beginning of a cycle where the pendulum has swung far to the right and "performance" numbers in magazines and bragging rights are dominating the discussion (you really think Ferrari offers a DCT for fuel economy?). I blame the GTR for starting this mess LOL!

But I don't like the use of the word "progress" to argue the merits of the DCT any more than the quartz movement was "progress". There is the enjoyment factor which is tangible and transcends pure "performance"

But I think we all agree on the following, if demand is there then the MT option will survive. And I believe that once folks get over the buzz factor of driving with paddles enough will miss the personal engagement with the car and begin to demand it as an option. This may take a while, and boutique manufacturers that can sell out regardless (eg lambo and Ferrari) may not change their ways, but I believe Porsche will due to their larger volumes.

I'm betting with the 991.2 TT we will see a MT option

 

I have a manual 991 and would like a manual 991 Turbo.... PDK is fine but it is an automatic.... The control is all different.

 

i didn't buy a 2012 turbo S cause only came pdk so i found a 2012 TT spec'd as i wanted 6speed not S . I would love my 991 turbo to come stick . I ordered month ago and gave dealer same argument that 991 was stick already, but no luck i have my car coming pdk . I guess ill wait and see it to decide. Times are changing. i guess ill just keep my 69 camaro around for those " slam some gears days" lol.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for MT. All my cars were MT. It's just that the writing on the wall seems to indicate the end is near. With the GT3 going PDK, I think this is not meaningless. The 997.2TTS was already PDK only so no shock there.

The new generation wants to text and drive so no MT there. If there are enough of us, there could be a MT in the 991TT. Unfortunately, I don't think Porsche wants to go there....

 

I cant understand how Porsche gives you the choice in basically every option but exclude you from picking the desired transmission ! I owned an 09 TT 6 speed and totally loved it . I was definitely going to purchase the 991 TT , but given the manaul transmittion isnt an option , i'll just have to look for an alternative 6 speed . Any suggestions ?

 

Ditto. Im not buying one for this exact reason.

 

make sure you let porsche know...

 

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There is so much sad truth in this thread. I just highlighted these (not to intentionally exclude anyone else). It's the one thing that Porsche has been able to historically deliver - choices (which, ironically is my single biggest issue with them).

 

Porsche has manual in all <400HP 2014 cars.

 

Keep your 6 speeds guys. Unfortunately I don't think we few who refuse to purchase a new P-Car due to the lack of manual will have an impact to sales. I sure hope I'm wrong and will pray that the 991.2 TT/GT3 has 3 pedals.

 

maybe, maybe not, i hope you are wrong too, maybe they will wise up and realize they are losing customers and if they give the customer the choice of pdk or manual then its a good thing, whether its old fashioned technology, better, slower, whatever, if the customer wants it and will go elsewhere if you dont have it then why not offer it, its not like people are asking for them to re-invent the wheel

people are going elsewhere, thats a fact, unfortunately there's really no practical way of knowing how many sales porsche is losing as a result or maybe they would have real incentive to bring back a manual offering

 

You're right Darth. The MTs are soon going to be extinct.

 

We don't manually crank our engines anymore and use electric starters instead in all of them. MT is going the same route and disappearing too. Guaranteed!