Any chance of Porsche announcing a manual?

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Old May 12, 2014 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by aa909
jasper you're so predictable. you are on every single thread on 6 speed that has a comment about auto manuals. you are obsessed my friend LOL! what color g-shock do you wear btw? mine is black
It is because others are equally predictable. The issue with dual clutches is that it is a relatively new technology which is often misunderstood (not by all). Preferences are perfectly understandable, and can override any other rational priority. I will not attempt to sway anyone's preferences. That is why there are choices.

Would a wind up watch vs a battery watch by the same maker with the same design have less value? No. It is simply preference. Some people like winding up their watches. Some don't. Neither is right or wrong. If a watchmaker decided that more people are buying their battery line up, and they don't sell as much (resulting in dealer discounts, and rebates, etc...) of the manual wind-up watch, then the better business decision is to move forward with only the battery version. This is what Porsche did, and it appears to be working.

I cannot decide for anyone which is 'better'. I can say which has worked better - for me. I enjoy the PDK quite often. I have both single clutch manual, and dual clutch cars. I like them all. I do have a preference. But that is all irrelevant when it comes down to facts.

But to say that "my opinion and preferences are like fine wine, and yours is like canned beer" is quite elitist (and equally as predictable - I can find numerous posts reflecting the same attitude, from previous discussions).

When discussing manual (single clutch) vs dual clutch from the same make (Porsche), same model (911) - it is closer to the same vintage of different berries (or fruit). They are both fine wines, just that one may be red, the other - white. Both can be enjoyed, but in different situations.
 
Old May 12, 2014 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by jaspergtr
It is because others are equally predictable. The issue with dual clutches is that it is a relatively new technology which is often misunderstood (not by all). Preferences are perfectly understandable, and can override any other rational priority. I will not attempt to sway anyone's preferences. That is why there are choices.

Would a wind up watch vs a battery watch by the same maker with the same design have less value? No. It is simply preference. Some people like winding up their watches. Some don't. Neither is right or wrong. If a watchmaker decided that more people are buying their battery line up, and they don't sell as much (resulting in dealer discounts, and rebates, etc...) of the manual wind-up watch, then the better business decision is to move forward with only the battery version. This is what Porsche did, and it appears to be working.

I cannot decide for anyone which is 'better'. I can say which has worked better - for me. I enjoy the PDK quite often. I have both single clutch manual, and dual clutch cars. I like them all. I do have a preference. But that is all irrelevant when it comes down to facts.

But to say that "my opinion and preferences are like fine wine, and yours is like canned beer" is quite elitist (and equally as predictable - I can find numerous posts reflecting the same attitude, from previous discussions).

When discussing manual (single clutch) vs dual clutch from the same make (Porsche), same model (911) - it is closer to the same vintage of different berries (or fruit). They are both fine wines, just that one may be red, the other - white. Both can be enjoyed, but in different situations.
wow a half way decent post from you on this subject LOL!! I must have hit a nerve of some kind with my "analogy".

most of your posts are condescending, let me try and think of an example? oh yeah "guys who like manual gear boxes also like to crank start their cars" LMFAOOOOO!!! you dish it out well but seems like you're thin skinned when someone replies in kind.

Why keep obsessing about why we like our manual gear boxes, you obviously "don't get it" and you sound like a broken record lecturing us on the virtues of paddle shifters.

When I get a 458 I will enjoy the heck out of it, paddle shifters and all, but I will still wish that it came with a 6-speed manual. Blasphemy right? LOL!!
 
Old May 12, 2014 | 11:25 AM
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Why keep obsessing about why we like our manual gear boxes, you obviously "don't get it" and you sound like a broken record lecturing us on the virtues of paddle shifters. ...
I like my manual gearbox as well. I don't understand your post.

You may be misinterpreting my posts. I'm only condescending to those who appear to feel superior (based on words posted) simply because of a preference. There is no wrong or right, better or worse. There is only right or better - for you.

And the analogy of watches was poorly phrased, because that would imply different manufacturers. Which, in this case, has nothing to do with the topic, since we are discussing the same manufacturer offering the SAME model, simply in a different trim level (may even be parsed out more specifically, for example, since the C2S is offered with both gearboxes).
 

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Old May 12, 2014 | 06:04 PM
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The most endlessly debated issue ever! I come down, with minimal shame, on the side of the automated clutch. So firmly in that camp, in fact, that I once owned a 997 turbo tiptronic, and liked it. Prefer a GT 2 I think, but depends on the purpose and situation, as mentioned in previous posts.

Imagine a 458 with a gated manual. Comical anachronism. A high-tech computer controlled direct injected engine mated to a ... a what? A well-tuned John Deere friction plate assembly? No.

I do think racing was more exciting when a driver could miss a shift, etc but even Nascar has been called a "200 mph parking lot".

Porsche does not care what I think, and you guys are off topic. The OP question was "what will Porsche build?"
Oh, and I wear an automatic mechanical watch
 
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