I understand the fuel efficiency and emissions pressure affecting the entire auto industry, but it no longer seems remotely reasonable that Porsche can charge a $30,000 premium to jump from a 991.2 Carrera 4S (with 14-way leather seats, leather pkg & 4 wheel steering) to a 991.1 Turbo given each is now turbocharged. Albeit there is a huge power disparity among the models, is that enough? It appears the Turbo's active aerodynamics is unnecessary given the 991.2's near identical top speed-- so I did not include this option in my comparison.

I feel like the exclusive heyday of the 911 Turbo is nearing the end. I know Porsche will do something to make the future Turbo unique in the lineup.

Any thoughts?

 

I don't agree. I think that Porsche will keep tons of distance between the lower models and the turbo and Turbo S. The lower models have much smaller fixed wheel turbos not the VTG's of the Turbo and Turbo S. NAnd the displacement is significantly smaller. According I doubt strongly they will be modable to Turbo power levels. I am also betting on Porsche making it extraordinarily difficult to break into the ECUs on these new turbo powered base cars

 

I hope you're right.... But it won't take long for base models to be closing the performance gap on the tts. Or make it such a negligible gap that it won't be worth the extra £30k to close it...

We'll all know the turbo s is the daddy

 

You can make any car fast, base C2/4 included, no matter what. But you won't make a C as fast as a TTS for peanuts and that gap won't close anytime soon. Why would it?

Porsche makes a ton of margin on the TTS.

It would not make sense for them to cannibalize sales from their top margin vehicle, when they have absolutely NO trouble getting such exorbitant dollars for them.

That's just financial suicide.

 

yes, but they will make more Porsche customers as a result of the move to going all turbo. and those who couldn't afford a proper P turbo, now can. albeit a smaller less powerful engine... so maybe they aren't worrying too much about the old TTS customers being raped over the years and losing their custom, as now they are winning over tree-huggers/eco warriers as well as those looking for more torquey Porsche engines from the entry level..

 

I am sure the next gen "Turbo" will have a few tricks up its sleeve and offer differentiators. There has already been speculation that we will see a hybrid. Maybe that is what uses the Turbo moniker.


http://www.autoblog.com/2015/11/26/p...911-spy-shots/

 

Possibly, but then as cool as it may be, I'd rather not have the first generation of anything like that.

One might be able to think of the 918 as the first generation, and perhaps 900 is enough to learn on, but the 918 have been getting a LOT of updates and trips back to the dealer.

 

Does anyone know of any major changes between the 991 .1 and .2 Turbo/Turbo S?

 

Nothing credible. There had been whispers the 4.0 would be used and turbo charged rather than the 3.8.

 

Had a nice discussion with our local sales manager here, who attended the launch of the 991.2 "junior" turbos. He also drove the new cars on the track in Germany & in the US. They are a premier dealer, so he attends lots of Porsche events.

Anyhow, he said the new cars are maybe a bit faster than the previous generation (991) cars, he also stated there's NO comparison to the 991 TTS in terms of performance or handling characteristics. He stated there's a huge difference in terms of technology improvements over the base cars & that Porsche really over engineered the Turbo on the 991 series.

I believe him b/c we all no what these cars are capable of.

On our local track I witnessed two very good drivers in a TTS & GT3. They were very close together on the track run. We also see weekly posts of our TTS laying waste to other new exotic cars, highly modified, & flagship sports cars.

He suspected a few tuning tweaks & subltle cosmetic/electronic improvements in the 991.2. IF Porsche does make a hybrid, it certainly will be a heavier platform & it's emissions will supersede the current car, I doubt it's performance will be much better, certainly not more than some members tuned/mod'd cars.

 

Just because its a turbo doesn't put them on equal ground, unless they're sharing parts across models which is very common out there for cost savings reasons so no one should really be very surprised if the new Carreras with some upgrades and tuning come very close to what Turbo models do.

 

This is my point.

 

To me there is no question that the next body style TT/TTS will get hybrid power. Maybe as soon as the 2018 models. Porsche has confirmed that the 919-derived motors will be used for the Mission E shown in Sept. It is likely to arrive as a 2018 model.

The next gen TT/TTS body structure will have to be much lighter to accommodate the battery. Maybe the 991.2 TT/TTS will get the 4.0 liter engine tuned about 30-40 bhp more than current versions as well as remapped PDK and maybe the wheel setup of the GT3RS. There may also be a 2018-2019 model between the 911 and the 918 with an 8 cylinder engine and electric power. Make no mistake. Each successive 911 will be better than the last by meaningful increments. They will probably cost commensurately more, although not great enough to put a floor under the aftermarket prices of the current 991 TT/TTS. It is interesting to reflect back on how the CGT was regarded ten years ago and change is now happening faster. Porsche will never be an anachronism.

 

Nicely put and right on the money in my view..

Would you all prefer they made no more tt or tts and ours were the last of the breed? Or are you excited about the future of the next turbo and turbo s variants, regardless of the huge depreciation we are facing?

 

I am always excited about the future of the 911, in particular the Turbo. The Turbo has always stood for evolution and I am excited to see what's next. In the meantime I am not all that worried about the future model effecting the value of my TT. I am too busy driving it and enjoying it.