If a '15 TTS costs $70,000 in three years it will be the absolute best buy one can get if interested in modest modifications, like Techart springs, MPSC2 tires and a Cobb or GIAC tune. So for under $80k one could have a car that would lay down laps at most circuits as well as anything but the then newest $200000+ machinery. And it would be durable, unlike many cars one sees at weekend driving events. Oh yes, and if it had only 15k miles the PCCB's would still be 90%+ unless a lot of those miles were on track. Of course, by 2019 the then new 911 TTS equivalent will be hybrid with well over 600 hp and cost more than $220k base and $240k+ OTD.

 

When I was shopping for my 2014 TTS in the summer of 2014 there were several used 2010s for right around $100k. I think it will be 2018 before the 2014TTS is $100k or less. The CTTS starts at about $155-160k reasonably well optioned and right now a good 2014 is selling for over $90k with low mileage, i.e. below 20k. Most of the CTTS I have seen are around 30k+ miles.

 

Trade in value is usually a lot less than retail because of the monthly depreciation and how long it takes for dealers to move these cars. I wouldn't be surprised to see asking price 20-30k higher than trade. My 78k number was trade not retail and unless OP is a dealer then retail values mean nothing to him. Seems like the '14's are still around 120k trade for the TTS.

 

Yeah, I was talking about retail if you are shopping for them.

 

Guab I am at the auctions regularly and the wholesale at the auctions is higher than 120k. If you have a clean low mile 14TTS you would like to sell me for 120k please tell me where to wire the money. The dealer trade number is meaningless unless you factor in the trade difference for the vehicle on the other end of the transaction.

 

You can pick up a '14 TTS with (on average) 10k miles on it for sub $140k on eBay (just hitting BIN, no negotiation). Seems like a big risk to make almost no money. Curious -- what are the '12 TTS going for? Trade seems to be in the high 70's on sites like Edmunds, KBB, etc.

 

I've been offered your trade number on a 12 TTS for my 11 non S with more mileage. I think your TTS trade of $78k is really low, I'd shop that around.

Also, I think finding a '14 TTS for $140k is a real challenge, maybe some non-S cars, but no TTS that low.

Curious about the opinion of others, but I've seen many '14s for about $40k less than MSRP, which is ridiculous. It's like 20% off retail for a 2 year old car. Especially when one suggests you could get a '15 for 18% off. Is this market screwed up or what??? I realize all the used cars are in the $150-170 range, which is ridiculous. I made the same observations when I bought a new '11 E92 M3, the used market was crazy. Not long after the used market rationalized and I got screwed trading the car. With the new '16 out, I bet the 991 TTS market comes down as well and then you will have a pretty hefty hit in depreciation.

Talk about values, the 997.2 TT at about $85k. I was looking at the M4 - at dealer cost you are nearly at the trade in value of a 997.2 TT. The M4 might be new, but it doesn't come close to a TT!!! A CPO 997.2 TT, what an incredible value in a car that will go 0-60 in 3 seconds AND be incredibly reliable.

 

Good to know -- I don't actually have my car anymore (sold it ~9 months ago for around 100k). I actually enjoy my M4 more than I enjoyed my TTS but to each their own. There are days where I prefer to have both options though.... but I get way more use out of my M4 than I ever got out of my TTS. The TTS certainly was "more fun." I want to get back into one, but would prefer an '09 997.1 that I could do a full motor build on and still retain 6 speed. Next choice would be a 964. Still have ~28 months left on my M4 lease, so I have a while to think about it. It was actually cheaper over 36 months to lease than buy because the convertible just gets nailed so hard on depreciation compared to the coupe. Literally after 36 months the coupe is worth equal or more than the convertible, yet you pay ~$8k more for it new. However, BMW keeps the residual the same for the F83 and F82.

There are 4 '14 TTS below 140k on eBay (12 above 140k). I think so far there's not a lot of '16 TTS that have hit market so my guess values will still hold at least another six months. It seems that original MSRP and color choice have a HUGE impact on value for these cars this early in their lifecycle. Prices new seemed to vary from ~$190k to $240k. I didn't see quite as large of a gap with the 997.2's (seemed to range more from ~$168k-$190k with all boxes checked).

 

Interesting comments on the m4. Hate to thread jack, but interested to know why you like it more. I look at the trade in value and the cars are nearly the same price- and really no comparison in performance or quality. I love the m4 as you might imagine, but it will be a while. I found the 6 speed rubbery and the clutch still too light. And the car is just too tail happy, it doesn't put the power down well. Nothing compared to the turbo, which hooks up so well with 4wd. I'll consider the competition package, but don't think it will compare. I'll need to wait until the 991 turbo is at least 3 years old before it will be realistic for me though.

 

I have both the m4 (dinan stage 2) and 991TT(not S). The turbo is just so much more dynamic, I don't even wanna drive the m4 anymore, so it's my wife's daily.

 

I drive my friends F80 M3 sedan pretty frequently. We often get together for breakfast and switch cars. It's not even in the same universe accelerationwise handling or driving dynamics wise.

 

I agree with you on the six speed being rubbery. The clutch for me feels ok though. It's nice if there's traffic. The six speed is at least a big upgrade from the prior e92 m3. But you're right as well on it being terrible putting power down but it's no worse than a mustang or any rwd Mercedes amg. I actually hated the combo of AWD and rear engine in the turbo it just pushes too hard in the corners and felt unsettling in off camber situations at higher speed prolly due to the rear engine. The m4 feels more planted to me in the same situated but it's probably just me not being used to 911's ( it was my first one ). Otherwise the 911 def handed better hands down.

Overall I didn't love the PDK auto ( I wouldn't hesitate to buy again if it was manual ) and the car was just wayyy too small for me for a daily. It mostly just sat in my garage ... Couldn't take it anywhere cause my wife packs too much crap even for a long weekend in Vegas. I didn't track the car either so the extra power was more or less pointless. I miss the sound though with the exhaust and I miss the looks. Other than that I don't really miss it on a daily basis.

If I did another turbo it would be a 997.1. The depreciation curve has ended with them at this point due to the mezger and six speed. I won't feel as bad with it sitting like I did with the TTS. I'd own both cars though -- not either or. Probably would swap the M4 as my daily to an Cayenne Turbo and then pick up either a 997.1 coupe or vert.

 

You have the benefit of a really nice climate where you live. in the Northeast, yet another benefit of the turbo is AWD. I guess we share the opinion of the E92, which you'll see I had as well. Frankly, that car was just a huge disappointment.

Next time around you might take in the Porsche school. They really teach the slow in, fast out and you'll find that the 911 can really hammer. Unbelievable exit speeds. The biggest difference between the 911 and the M4 is the intervention of the traction control. I noticed even on a test drive. Make a hard turn, get on the throttle and the traction control just slows down the M4. Hammer a turbo and the car will fishtail nicely, without the traction control even coming on. I never turn it off.

I will say after owning the E36, E46 and E92, I probably get an F80 or whatever they are. You just can't find a more exciting, more practical car than the M3.