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Old May 6, 2017 | 02:53 PM
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Cobb Accessport for 991.2 Turbo

Has anyone heard any updates about when this will be available for the .2's? Very impatiently waiting...
GIAC came out early. Why the Cobb delay?
 
Old May 6, 2017 | 05:22 PM
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GIAC pretty much always comes out first and Cobb is a few months behind.
 
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Hi Oscar. Cobb has dedicated a few additional engineers to the Porsche stuff and they will be coming out with quite a few products soon. I know there's a few things they wanted to knock out first that will support more models which will start rolling out next month. One cool one is PDK software for for all new models. Won't be much longer! When it does come out it will be awesome and I can't wait to get started! We have several cars with stage III hardware ready to go and I even got some turbochargers ready to go!
 
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Originally Posted by Oscar8
Has anyone heard any updates about when this will be available for the .2's? Very impatiently waiting...
GIAC came out early. Why the Cobb delay?
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Cobb is taking longer is because of getting OBD flash access . It's wayyyyy more complicated than physically putting the ECU back to boot mode and flashing . What I can't believe is that there is not 1 single independent dyno , or performance data for a GIAC tuned .2 TT or TTS . Surely GIAC has run their shop car at this point too .
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Cobb is taking longer is because of getting OBD flash access . It's wayyyyy more complicated than physically putting the ECU back to boot mode and flashing . What I can't believe is that there is not 1 single independent dyno , or performance data for a GIAC tuned .2 TT or TTS . Surely GIAC has run their shop car at this point too .
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With all due respect, "putting back to boot mode and flashing" is misleading and doesn't give nearly enough credit for the amount of engineering time and effort GIAC put into unlocking and analyzing the .2 ECU to prepare it for flashing. If it was that easy, I'm sure GIAC would not be the only company in the world doing it.

We've dyno'ed several .2 TTS's here at our shop and posted the numbers a few times. I'm not sure if anyone else has to be honest. I guess if most people get the car flashed and they feel a huge difference and they're happy, most people don't think about putting it on a dyno. Or maybe they don't have easy access to one or want to bear the cost.

Sorry to the OP for hijacking the thread, but since GIAC was mentioned I thought it would be fair to chime in.
 
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Originally Posted by Tom@Champion
With all due respect, "putting back to boot mode and flashing" is misleading and doesn't give nearly enough credit for the amount of engineering time and effort GIAC put into unlocking and analyzing the .2 ECU to prepare it for flashing. If it was that easy, I'm sure GIAC would not be the only company in the world doing it.

We've dyno'ed several .2 TTS's here at our shop and posted the numbers a few times. I'm not sure if anyone else has to be honest. I guess if most people get the car flashed and they feel a huge difference and they're happy, most people don't think about putting it on a dyno. Or maybe they don't have easy access to one or want to bear the cost.

Sorry to the OP for hijacking the thread, but since GIAC was mentioned I thought it would be fair to chime in.

post some graphs....
 
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post some graphs....
Info can be found here:

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...available.html

Again, apologies for the hijack. We can continue the GIAC related discussion in that thread.
 
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Originally Posted by Tom@Champion
With all due respect, "putting back to boot mode and flashing" is misleading and doesn't give nearly enough credit for the amount of engineering time and effort GIAC put into unlocking and analyzing the .2 ECU to prepare it for flashing. If it was that easy, I'm sure GIAC would not be the only company in the world doing it.

We've dyno'ed several .2 TTS's here at our shop and posted the numbers a few times. I'm not sure if anyone else has to be honest. I guess if most people get the car flashed and they feel a huge difference and they're happy, most people don't think about putting it on a dyno. Or maybe they don't have easy access to one or want to bear the cost.

Sorry to the OP for hijacking the thread, but since GIAC was mentioned I thought it would be fair to chime in.
Tom I would advise against the " all due respect" phrase as it indicates none . Nothing I said was misleading or indicated against the extreme amount of RD you guys or any reputable tuning shop does decrypting code , it's a simple fact that getting OBD access takes considerably more time and resources than direct access bench tuning on these highly encrypted ECU's on cars with CAN bus systems. In fact many companies never achieve this for a platform and sometimes it's never achieved by anyone . As to my second statement it IS surprising that there is not one single time slip or vbox run from you or one of your customers on this car showing before and after performance. Having many friends in the domestic tuning world it is almost unheard of for a shop to not provide performance data to go with dyno results . It was over the top to imply someone who can afford a new .2 Turbo would be concerned about the cost of testing their performance modifications either by dyno ,vbox or drag strip . I agree many just don't care about anything other than feel though . You are a great company with a strong reputation that has historically backed up your dyno'swith real world performance testing .Honestly just disappointed in your very defensive response .
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Originally Posted by gmd2003
Tom I would advise against the " all due respect" phrase as it indicates none . Nothing I said was misleading or indicated against the extreme amount of RD you guys or any reputable tuning shop does decrypting code , it's a simple fact that getting OBD access takes considerably more time and resources than direct access bench tuning on these highly encrypted ECU's on cars with CAN bus systems. In fact many companies never achieve this for a platform and sometimes it's never achieved by anyone . As to my second statement it IS surprising that there is not one single time slip or vbox run from you or one of your customers on this car showing before and after performance. Having many friends in the domestic tuning world it is almost unheard of for a shop to not provide performance data to go with dyno results . It was over the top to imply someone who can afford a new .2 Turbo would be concerned about the cost of testing their performance modifications either by dyno ,vbox or drag strip . I agree many just don't care about anything other than feel though . You are a great company with a strong reputation that has historically backed up your dyno'swith real world performance testing .Honestly just disappointed in your very defensive response .
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I can assure you that I meant no disrespect whatsoever, to you or to Cobb. I apologize if it came across that way.

As for the OBDII vs bench flash thing, I will just say that sometimes because a company chooses not to OBDII flash does not always mean they don't have the ability. Sometimes it's a decision that is intentionally made to bench flash.

Admittedly, I do sometimes tend to get a little defensive, which I will openly admit to, and again apologize. Being a business that prides ourselves on providing the best and most reliable tuning options and hardware for Porsche puts us in a difficult position sometimes when it comes to the forums. A lot of times users will make comments that are maybe not necessarily accurate but once their written here, they become fact in the eyes of outsiders who may come to the forums for information or research. An outsider reading this thread may interpret some of the comments as meaning that GIAC is taking some sort of shortcut by bench flashing, or that they aren't providing solid software. In defense of Cobb as well, an outsider reading the forum may make assumptions about them too from the opening of the thread, which aren't necessarily fair to them.

Again, I really do apologize if my comments came across as disrespectful to anyone. It was not intentional at all.
 



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