Are the 991 improvements attractive to you?
Are the 991 improvements attractive to you?
As far as I can tell, a 991 S will be no faster than a current GTS (and just about the same price it seems).
The primary benefits to the new car are: additional interior room (particularly in the rear) with updated technology; a new 7 speed manual, some modest suspension improvements and weight savings, maintaining current power output while reducing emissions and consumption. Very german...
As a car guy this all adds up to a better "car" for daily use, but aren't there a huge number of us (911 owners) that don't drive the car daily? I'm not in that group. I'd buy a 991 for the 7 speed manual alone. I don't like turning almost 4,000 rpms at 90. As for the rear seat space, it's our daughter's favorite place to be. Add a bit more room AND the ever so important latch system for the car seat and - double bonus! But I'm guessing that the vast majority of owners who put less than 5,000 miles a year on their car could care less about PDK's new cruising function to save gas, or an extra inch or two in the rear seats.
What I'm getting at is that if I bought a 911 as a weekend car. I'd want it to sound, ride and even look like a real sports car. Something special that stands out from an Audi or BMW coupe. The 991 seems to adopt some of the sensibilities of a BMW or Audi coupe, whereas a GTS with its center lock black wheels, alcantra trim and sport exhaust seem to fit the bill of something more "special" for a 2nd, 3rd 4th car etc...
I'm not so sure the 991 is wild enough to be as good a 3rd car as a 997S was in 2005 or the GTS is right now? There will always be the GT cars that follow though.
What do you think? Will the 991 be as big a winner for Porsche in the U.S. as the 997 was? It seems a worthy successor, but will stateside buyers be chomping at the bit to get the base models next year considering that the current offerings are so exciting?
Hmmmm
DRP
The primary benefits to the new car are: additional interior room (particularly in the rear) with updated technology; a new 7 speed manual, some modest suspension improvements and weight savings, maintaining current power output while reducing emissions and consumption. Very german...
As a car guy this all adds up to a better "car" for daily use, but aren't there a huge number of us (911 owners) that don't drive the car daily? I'm not in that group. I'd buy a 991 for the 7 speed manual alone. I don't like turning almost 4,000 rpms at 90. As for the rear seat space, it's our daughter's favorite place to be. Add a bit more room AND the ever so important latch system for the car seat and - double bonus! But I'm guessing that the vast majority of owners who put less than 5,000 miles a year on their car could care less about PDK's new cruising function to save gas, or an extra inch or two in the rear seats.
What I'm getting at is that if I bought a 911 as a weekend car. I'd want it to sound, ride and even look like a real sports car. Something special that stands out from an Audi or BMW coupe. The 991 seems to adopt some of the sensibilities of a BMW or Audi coupe, whereas a GTS with its center lock black wheels, alcantra trim and sport exhaust seem to fit the bill of something more "special" for a 2nd, 3rd 4th car etc...
I'm not so sure the 991 is wild enough to be as good a 3rd car as a 997S was in 2005 or the GTS is right now? There will always be the GT cars that follow though.
What do you think? Will the 991 be as big a winner for Porsche in the U.S. as the 997 was? It seems a worthy successor, but will stateside buyers be chomping at the bit to get the base models next year considering that the current offerings are so exciting?
Hmmmm
DRP
Last edited by drspeed; Oct 18, 2011 at 01:48 PM.
Porsche is shooting to sell more 911s then ever and hence the reason for a lot of these refinements. Its always difficult to evolve a car but also cater its original core of sport enthusiasts. I do feel that whether its a weekend car or a daily driver its a worthy fit for both roles depending on how you spec it. I would wait a bit to see what Porsche does with the model lineup - I have a feeling there will be some surprises in store for us.
As far as I can tell, a 991 S will be no faster than a current GTS (and just about the same price it seems).
The primary benefits to the new car are: additional interior room (particularly in the rear) with updated technology; a new 7 speed manual, some modest suspension improvements and weight savings, maintaining current power output while reducing emissions and consumption. Very german...
As a car guy this all adds up to a better "car" for daily use, but aren't there a huge number of us (911 owners) that don't drive the car daily? I'm not in that group. I'd buy a 991 for the 7 speed manual alone. I don't like turning almost 4,000 rpms at 90. As for the rear seat space, it's our daughter's favorite place to be. Add a bit more room AND the ever so important latch system for the car seat and - double bonus! But I'm guessing that the vast majority of owners who put less than 5,000 miles a year on their car could care less about PDK's new cruising function to save gas, or an extra inch or two in the rear seats.
What I'm getting at is that if I bought a 911 as a weekend car. I'd want it to sound, ride and even look like a real sports car. Something special that stands out from an Audi or BMW coupe. The 991 seems to adopt some of the sensibilities of a BMW or Audi coupe, whereas a GTS with its center lock black wheels, alcantra trim and sport exhaust seem to fit the bill of something more "special" for a 2nd, 3rd 4th car etc...
I'm not so sure the 991 is wild enough to be as good a 3rd car as a 997S was in 2005 or the GTS is right now? There will always be the GT cars that follow though.
What do you think? Will the 991 be as big a winner for Porsche in the U.S. as the 997 was? It seems a worthy successor, but will stateside buyers be chomping at the bit to get the base models next year considering that the current offerings are so exciting?
Hmmmm
DRP
The primary benefits to the new car are: additional interior room (particularly in the rear) with updated technology; a new 7 speed manual, some modest suspension improvements and weight savings, maintaining current power output while reducing emissions and consumption. Very german...
As a car guy this all adds up to a better "car" for daily use, but aren't there a huge number of us (911 owners) that don't drive the car daily? I'm not in that group. I'd buy a 991 for the 7 speed manual alone. I don't like turning almost 4,000 rpms at 90. As for the rear seat space, it's our daughter's favorite place to be. Add a bit more room AND the ever so important latch system for the car seat and - double bonus! But I'm guessing that the vast majority of owners who put less than 5,000 miles a year on their car could care less about PDK's new cruising function to save gas, or an extra inch or two in the rear seats.
What I'm getting at is that if I bought a 911 as a weekend car. I'd want it to sound, ride and even look like a real sports car. Something special that stands out from an Audi or BMW coupe. The 991 seems to adopt some of the sensibilities of a BMW or Audi coupe, whereas a GTS with its center lock black wheels, alcantra trim and sport exhaust seem to fit the bill of something more "special" for a 2nd, 3rd 4th car etc...
I'm not so sure the 991 is wild enough to be as good a 3rd car as a 997S was in 2005 or the GTS is right now? There will always be the GT cars that follow though.
What do you think? Will the 991 be as big a winner for Porsche in the U.S. as the 997 was? It seems a worthy successor, but will stateside buyers be chomping at the bit to get the base models next year considering that the current offerings are so exciting?
Hmmmm
DRP
When the 997 GT2RS was announced at approximately $225K+, I was astonished that all units allocated to the US were sold out in record time! I certainly would not pay that for a GT2RS!
The 991 exterior is nice but the transplanted interior from the Panamera turns me off. I have driven the Panamera and not impressed with the interior. I'm not a fan of the electronic hand brake and discontinuation of the traditional key. I have to test drive this car before I even think of upgrading. Our car is an exceptional daily driver. I started using it as a daily since I have almost fallen asleep several times in my Camry going to work due to boredom. The sound of the flat 6 is my coffee every morning!
As much as I agree, I disagree...
I don't think any new customer would say,"Look at the new 991. THOSE were the changes I was waiting for to buy one."
That person would not be able to tell you the difference between a 993 and a 996, much less a 997 or 991, or the changes that went into the 991.
The person who is going to buy the new 991, is the same person who was going to buy the next 911, regardless of model designation or improvements.
I don't think any new customer would say,"Look at the new 991. THOSE were the changes I was waiting for to buy one."
That person would not be able to tell you the difference between a 993 and a 996, much less a 997 or 991, or the changes that went into the 991.
The person who is going to buy the new 991, is the same person who was going to buy the next 911, regardless of model designation or improvements.
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I don't understand how someone is not impressed with the Pana interior. I have one with full leather and it is more attractive and elegant by far than even my Ferrari 360. Electronic hand brakes and keys are becoming the way of the world - hard to fight the movement...
Anyhow regardless I will be hard pressed to replace the Targa so soon - I am still enjoying it big time!
I've seen it in person and I still can't tell if I'll like it or not. To me, the lines haven't been changed that much (except from the rear), and the Panamera-like interior is neither a big draw or a negative for me. For me, the only thing that's a negative so far is the exterior opening sunroof. I'm pretty sure the real question will be -- how does it sound and feel when you drive it?






