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Old Feb 20, 2012 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SpikeP
Here you go! Hope these are the angles you were asking for:
Beautiful and thanks! I really can't tell it is lowered. Need to compare it with a non-SPASM.

Edit: Oops spoke too soon before seeing the next post. However, it's still hard to tell with the smaller pics. I can tell a bit, but it's not a huge difference, which is good since I wouldn't want to be scraping the ground when getting out of a drive way.
 

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Old Feb 20, 2012 | 08:05 PM
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While I understand what Dreamer is trying to say, my own opinion is that you have to set a budget (which might very well be unlimited) and pick your options to fit that budget based upon your personal priorities. Nobody's right, and nobody's wrong. That's the nice thing about a 911. You can spend $80,000 and get a great car or you can spend double that and get a great car.

I've built a $118,000 S Cab. It's perfect for me, but it might fall short for others. I'm just waiting for my wife to give me the okay to order it.

That being said, your car looks fantastic! Thanks for the pics.
 
Old Feb 20, 2012 | 08:15 PM
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Magnificent car... I absolutely love the color. Congratulations!!!
 
Old Feb 20, 2012 | 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by K-E-V
It's still hydraulics though. Just that the fluids responds to applied electromagnetic field and changes the dampening characteristics.
This is how cadillac and ferrari do it - but I don't think porsche uses that principle of electromagnetic fluid in this application. I originally thought they did. I believe the fluid characteristics are static and the motors have oblong cams that enlarge or reduce the space where the fluid is held, thus dampening or firming the ride. Or at least this is what I gathered from the Porsche technical spec.
 
Old Feb 21, 2012 | 03:44 AM
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[QUOTE=tgcrun;3462473]While I understand what Dreamer is trying to say

I'm over it. Life is too short. It just rubbed me the wrong way when Dreamer asked if I knew what a ruler was. That's not what this forum is about. It's ok to disagree and have different views but you don't insult a fellow enthusiast.
 
Old Feb 21, 2012 | 05:56 AM
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[quote=SpikeP;3462667]
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While I understand what Dreamer is trying to say

I'm over it. Life is too short. It just rubbed me the wrong way when Dreamer asked if I knew what a ruler was. That's not what this forum is about. It's ok to disagree and have different views but you don't insult a fellow enthusiast.
It wasn't meant as an insult in any way, and I believe I allready apologized. Writing text online can be misconstrued and it sure is interesting to see who jumps all over another persons opinion. I only meant that when I looked at the list of options, I could not bring myself to consider a 5mm (or 10mm all together, as someone else was so kind to point out) spacers as worth while. Come on! 5mm!
And to the fine gentleman who jumped all over me for my post, EricP I believe, I can appreciate that you are obviously the highest level of Porsche enthusiast and that you are correct in insinuating that I am not on the same level as you, or some others here in this forum, but did my post really require your level of backlash?
I guess I'll go jump off a bridge now...anyone want an improperly ordered 2012 991, I wont be needing it.
 
Old Feb 21, 2012 | 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by SpikeP
Glad to know someone "has my back!" Thanks Eric.
I'm sure Mr Dreamer can go find lots of other threads to go chime in on. He probably hates the fact that the folks here on 6speed lower their cars, or buy lighter wheels, are not able to get the full benefit of the changes they have made! Since he buys a Porsche just to go back and forth to work, why not just buy some ordinary car for that purpose since he won't be utilizing the full potential of a Porsche. I'm sure his "customized" Harley is very well thought out and practical
Really? How many of you Porsche enthusiasts track your car? Up here where I live, If you get caught street racing you can get your car seized! If you go to the track and damage your car, your insurance wont cover you! So, when I look at the amount of the "cars full potential" I will be using, I have to say probably not even close to 70%. I went for the "S" both for resale value and I do like to have more horsepower. The other options were dictated by my modest budget, which didn't afford spacers.
I didnt put a blower or nitros on my Harley, but I did give it a wild paint job, raised handlebars, better pipes, air cleaner, dyno tune, power commander chip, etc so it will run very nicely and has the power I need to pass trucks and get out of trouble on the road.
Anyways...I said it once before...I apologize for any offense. Your car is spectacular and it makes me drool about my own order, but I went for MT, so I have to wait. I couldn't afford, nor do I want PDK.
 
Old Feb 21, 2012 | 06:47 AM
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Dreamer, please don't jump. I like you now. You seem very reasonable and I understand where you were coming from. My apologies as well.
 
Old Feb 21, 2012 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by SpikeP
Dreamer, please don't jump. I like you now. You seem very reasonable and I understand where you were coming from. My apologies as well.
Great!
Whew! I thought all was lost.
on with the Porsche chatter.....
 
Old Feb 21, 2012 | 06:59 AM
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In the simplistic world view where I live (not a bad place to be at times), i think the altering suspensions/mounts can be summed up as

Dynamic engine mounts - magnetic fluid
PASM - closing of valves to lessen squishiness (in addition to "traditional" benefits of lowering and stiffening (in the case of PASM Sport))
PDCC - stiffening up of roll bar dampers via hydraulic pressure (on-demand, constantly changing)

I am sure I will be corrected if off base.

On the spacers -- from a performance standpoint, is there a benefit to the wider track if the suspension and everything else is not also moved out?
 

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Old Feb 21, 2012 | 08:05 AM
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And to the fine gentleman who jumped all over me for my post, EricP I believe, I can appreciate that you are obviously the highest level of Porsche enthusiast and that you are correct in insinuating that I am not on the same level as you, or some others here in this forum, but did my post really require your level of backlash?
I guess I'll go jump off a bridge now...anyone want an improperly ordered 2012 991, I wont be needing it.
You hopped into a forum and directed doubtful commentary at a guy who just bought a brand new car and is very proud of the way he spent his money on extras. I know the guy and heck yes you got my backlash. You may have just meant that you prefer to spend you money other ways - but when you say you don't understand why guys spend money on such minuscule options that he'll never benefit from, it's offensive and lacks tact. You have since clarified and made peace with him.

FYI - Don't tell you wife you find her expenditures at the salon to be futile. And don't tell another porsche owner you can't figure out why he bought a specific color or wheel.

Nothing was personal - it was directed at your lack of compassion. You have clarified what you meant - I was qualifying my approach in a previous post since you ended your last post with my name. . Let's move on.
 

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Old Feb 21, 2012 | 10:23 AM
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Very nice looking car. Love the color.
 
Old Feb 23, 2012 | 08:13 PM
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Very nice looking car. Love the color.
Thank you thunderbolt! I ordered the color sight unseen, and it has exceeded my expectations.
 
Old Feb 24, 2012 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by EricP
This is how cadillac and ferrari do it - but I don't think porsche uses that principle of electromagnetic fluid in this application. I originally thought they did. I believe the fluid characteristics are static and the motors have oblong cams that enlarge or reduce the space where the fluid is held, thus dampening or firming the ride. Or at least this is what I gathered from the Porsche technical spec.
Interesting they didn't use mag fluid as they did in the engine mounts.

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Old Feb 24, 2012 | 09:52 AM
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congrats love the color...question is the car down 20mm full time? driveway issues so i need a little more room
 


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