It wasn't me posting it was Samuel. I don't think it was exaggeration. It was really fast and Gleek48 and I were floored. I wouldn't do it again on public roads. It was that effective.

But yes a TTS propels you harder. There are two turbos and an extra 130hp. BUT I"D LIKE TO EXPERIENCE IT ONCE IN A TTS

 

Not to mention almost 200 more lb/ft of torque

Fun for a few blasts but I think I'd take the refinement of the 991 over the .2TTS (man, I'm getting old!).

 

Yeah - what's the old adage of a falling from heights - it's not the impact that kills you - it's the sudden stop. It's that TTS torque that propels you - not the HP. My bad.

And I think you're getting wise, not old

 

It was an interesting review. the car they tested had 19in wheels and did not have SC. although in once scene it looked as though he used launch control which comes with sc, but later in the pics i noticed that there was no clock on the dash.

 

Nonononononono its the best car ever made because he got it. Has to be doesnt it?

Look I am all about cars and admitting shortcoming and the like, but to sit there and say the low end 991 is the best car you have ever sat in, comparing it to supercars, its just laughable.

Just like the guys saying they can feel the difference in the shifting and handling. REALLY you are who? As in which factory driver? Because you are crazy good to feel .05 of a second. The funny thing is most of the stuff that is measurable today is measured by computers. Yet you all feel it. I wonder how a blind test would come out LOL

I am SO glad you like your car. But come off it man, do you realize what this does to your credibility?
Also there is always one rag that puts the slower car ahead of the faster car so those that bought the slower car feel better.

Oh and I like the 991 but I am reasonable at the same time as to what it is and can do.

Neg rep will be repaid

 

Werent you just gushing about the feel of the power of you new choice?

Which way do you want it? I'm very glad you have a better car than a TT S

 

Kip posted another thread with a link to the article. Not sure if it was posted here, but here you go:

http://www.germancarforum.com/intern...two-parts.html

Here is an interesting quote:

“- it also feels rather aloof and cold. ‘It’s lackin that cohesion and sweet uniformity of weights and response that is a big part of Porsche magic,’ says Meaden. ‘It’s also missing those sensations you used to get even when pottering along in a 997,’ adds Green.”

I think it adds legitimacy to what a small minority (including me) have been saying about the 991. It is disappointing, but it is what it is.

 

Wow. I cannot believe someone wrote that about you. I am sorry.

I too am in the market for a 2012 991 (I absolutely will not take a 13 or 14 MY), but I think it is important that we acknowledge and embrace the shortcomings of the 991 instead of getting angry at others. And I am glad there are now reviews that are acknowledging what people like you and I have been saying since day one after getting seat time in the 991.

 

Last I checked 997s in general are pretty damn fast especially when driven with skill. A friend of mine took me for a ride in his 997S after which I had to change my underwear. I have a GTS which is arguably faster but the 997S had me saying "holy chit!!!" and trying to find something to hold on to.

I'm sure the 991S is very fast, but then so is the 997S. I'm sure there will still be plenty of 997's passing 991's at open track.

I agree with Squat. Unless you are Walter Rohrl, Borris Said or some other ALMS pro who can expound on the differences in performance at the limit its all really moot and just marketing fodder for the masses.

Again Motor Trend noted only a 0.2 second time difference in figure 8 times between the 997 GTS and 991S.

Unless I'm racing for a living that 0.2 sec difference in meaningless to me and very easily overcome by driver differences. The Evo review echos my sentiment garnered from my driving experience in the 991. The 991 is a beautiful car that objectively has moved the performance bar to a degree. But subjectively it has lost alot of the 911 character that was well..classically 911.

The future 991 variants may recapture some of that 911 character. I'll wait and see.

 

You make a great point. They do seem to be trying their best, car makers in general, to prove that they can build car that is better than we can drive. That was the rub on the BMW's and a huge reason so many BMW owners now drive a porsche. They got sick of the company building cars for the 16-18th year old girl got for her Birthday-graduation, dumbing down the car so she wouldnt have to feel that terrible ole road.

While my TT does take some of the road away, its the part of the road that I need a LOT more skills to want to feel.

 

You are contradicting yourself.

Plus, the 991s shaved off 14 seconds on the N'ring compared to the 997s...so I don't think many 991s will be passed up on the track by 997s, especially when the 991 is more neutral and planted around corners.

 

I'm pretty tired and read this quickly but I don't think he's contradicting himself. He's saying that driver skill is the part of the equation missing in most "Internet" analysis of this new car. In other words a great driver in a 997 is still going to pass a good one in a 991.

He then said that the CAR has moved the performance bar up compared to the 997. Did they do it with a few more nanny controls? Yes. The purists are going to take issue with that. The younger drivers for whom this may be their first Porsche probably won't.

 

I agree with many of the previous comments that 997's are very fast and likely more car than most buyers (including me) can handle or need. Although I haven't been to the track yet with the 991, in my limited experience with the new car, the 991 seems to be more stable and planted. To an amateur enthusiast, I think this is a good thing because it will give the driver more confidence. From my experience with other Pcars and sports cars, more confidence leads to smoother driving and faster lap times.

Maybe this takes away some of the 911's "character", but then again maybe it makes it a better car which needs to compete in the 21st century. If people really want the true 911 character, buy a 930 or a 993.

Oh yeah, I tried launch control with EricP for the first time this weekend. It was VERY impressive to have that level of acceleration from a standstill. In fact, the last time I felt a launch that fast (not saying it was that fast), was in the instructor lap at PSDS with a 997 Turbo,

The statements above are just my $.02. Rely on this information for the cost you paid for it. As I said before, keep/buy whatever makes you happy. I can tell you a little secret, I don't care what YOU do. I only vote with my own actions (and bank account).

 

I totally agree with this. I am far from a good driver, but think I am getting better with each session. I've had many drivers in much faster cars give me a wave around at the track (generally blue run groups with sanctioned passing zones). I've also been passed/given the waive around to much slower cars.

Smoother is always faster. HP really only helps on the straights.

 

For the first time tonight I felt dynamic engine mounts working in a 991. Had it in sport plus and got going too quick around a 45mph "Clover" circular on ramp in pitch dark- got off the gas just a touch (so I didn't die) and didn't feel the engine want to roll out of my car like a bushel of apples in the back of a pickup truck. So cool. I was preparing for a heaving rollout feeling that I remember from my previous car. This car is so rigid and flat it's almost harshly flat (is harshly a word?)