The Cayman R is also very stable and planted, thus relatively easy to drive fast with confidence. But the downside is that it can bit a bit 'boring' when not driven (very) fast. And since we're not racing, do our lap times really matter, except as an indication of improving driving skill?

 

Why does planted = boring? That's not logical.

 

Your statement may be true, but personally I don't see the 997 or 991 as boring. I thought that tracking my old Boxster was a little boring, but never any 911 that I tracked (although I have not tracked the 991 yet). The main reasons why I am making the switch is that I want to try the PDK (and think it is a big improvement over the last ones I drove) and I really like the new interior layout.

 

Gleek -when we drove my car with PDCC the other day you commented on how flat the car felt. Did you think it was noticeably different than the white 991 we drive that didn't have the PDCC option? Granted our second drive was brief.

Also - did you get PDCC?

 

I thought that the PDCC was very stable when put to the test. It reminded me of a go kart type of stability. I did get PDCC.

 

To say planted equals boring is to oversimplify. What I'm saying is that the 997 bobs and tilts enough to convey useful and enjoyable info to the driver (without being scary or compromising performance significantly), whereas a more planted car has less of that. I prefer the more dynamic feel, but planted has its own pleasure too.

 

It doesn't sound like that to me. It sounded like a lot of 997s will be passing the 991 because the 997 is "holy chit" fast. But I guess we could give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

We can discuss this day and night, but at the end of the day the cayman r is an AMAZING car that handles on its rails. Little side note...if porsche dropped the rs 4.0 engine into the cayman, that car would be my new favorite porsche. It will never happen, but a guy can dream right?

 

Succinct and well put, and you are tired? God help us if you put thought into it. Nice analysis man.

 

This statement only begs the question why you bought a Porsche. See thats what the fighter pilots that flew pilots aircraft would never say. There is FUN and there is getting the job done. You want a jet/fighter/car that is fun to drive. If you are going to war or a race, you want to get the job done.

My favorite airplane is a piper super cub. Not a Gulfstream V, or even a Mooney, Cessna Caravan, Cirrus, or DA-40. Why because its just a pure joy to fly.

What porsche did with the recent cars(997 987) was get fun and job done as close as they could. Some models more get the job done, more fun.
Some models are made to be rocket ships and reduce driver bang ups in the corners. TT speaks to that.

But you bought you car based of no experience and what someone told you. That is fine but its not really working to sit here and tell us a slower car feels better to you than supercars. It might feel better because you own it, but so did pintos.

Im glad you like the 991, but to gush and gush.... just to point out you have the latest and greatest?
You say its better in the corners? in what way? You just dont point the car and go, there is more too it. Then someone is wise for trading the TT for a 991 yet the 991 is like a rocket..

Yeah I know its you car it has to be the best

 

hilar ious Did you feel the heavier crank too???:rol leyes:

I think you should be on the GT cup team or the Alms teams to compare the 997 to a bushel of apples falling off a truck...
That or yuo dont knowhow to #$@$@#$ing drive

 

Right but put any of us on here in a 991 and a 997 and who wins? We arent in the skill level of people that can speak to it.

I used to be in a skill level like that in my last career and yeah you can tell little things. Its great listening to the young pups talk about stuff they read in the manual and cant make the car do....but can because the manual says so

 

I'd like more power in the CR for the track, but for the road I feel like the car may already be too damn fast. I and others who drive it are routinely surprised by how fast they're going. 50 feels like 30, 80 feels like 50, 100 feels like 70, 120 feels like 90, and those speeds are reached sooner than one realizes. I've got a radar detector and am always on the lookout, but I fear that one of these days I'm going to get a nasty ticket.

 

Glad to hear that the mounts work well Eric!

ChuckJ

 

It seems to me that all the new Porsches have lost their soul.
I still have a '79 911SC (with '87 Carrera engine) from previous Porsches I have owned. I had an '09 Cayman for two years, but it just felt too sterile. Even though it was probably one of the best cars I have ever owned, I sold it. It just didn't have the soul or character of the older 911's. My wife, who is not a car buff, made similar remarks.
I don't think this applies just to Porsches, however. It see it in other cars as well.
Cheers