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Old Apr 18, 2012 | 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by yrralis1
Catch --

I am going by porsche's numbers.
Per my VBOX:
Porsche said 4.4 or 4.1 sec for the CTT, I was only able to get 4.5 with it an ecu tune and bypass pipes (extra 90hp/tq).

My C2S with a lot of mods like yours I got a 3.6 and many 3.7's , and porsche said 4.1.

The 991S would be at least .5 sec faster then my modified CTT.
 
Old Apr 18, 2012 | 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by zzzspeed
Per my VBOX:
Porsche said 4.4 or 4.1 sec for the CTT, I was only able to get 4.5 with it an ecu tune and bypass pipes (extra 90hp/tq).

My C2S with a lot of mods like yours I got a 3.6 and many 3.7's , and porsche said 4.1.

The 991S would be at least .5 sec faster then my modified CTT.
Keep in mind that porsche tests their cars extensively in numerous climates and conditions . They tend to release them quite conservatively .
So i used their numbers on their cars comparing their MSRP prices on two very different vehicles .

The fact that they make an SUV that's equally priced with this peformance figure so close that we can even discuss it --places a lot of praise on the Cayenne but raises some doubts on the 991.
 

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Old Apr 18, 2012 | 06:07 AM
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Larry,

Why buy anything at all? Seem like you already have a diverse set of cars that you like a lot, with the 991, GT-R, etc. not really adding much value beyond what you already have. What's the motive?
 
Old Apr 18, 2012 | 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by hlee1169
Hard to believe you can get 20K off a 991. Around here, in SF bay area, there are very few in stock, and 1K off MSRP is the best offer I have got.
My dealer says he has none in stock and orders are for September.

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Old Apr 18, 2012 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by LPpfs997
So did the test mule have the pdcc ? I haven't driven one w/ that techgadget. Has anyone done a back to back ? Seems the Showrooms are full of pdk, and their getting nervous: calls to 'come on in' and mailograms w/ serious cuts; $20k off on a msrp $123k 991s.
if you can get almost 20% off a new 991 right now, I would be doubtful.
 
Old Apr 18, 2012 | 09:42 AM
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Yeah, I've been shopping around A LOT and the best deal I have gotten is 5% off MSRP. If someone is doing 20% please let me know where and I'll ****** that vehicle up quick.
 
Old Apr 18, 2012 | 11:50 AM
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$20k off on a msrp $123k 991s
: I received an offer in the mail. Try J. Daniels in NJ. They sent a clear written card w/ the $$; 991s w/ pdk. Doubt is typically not written.
 
Old Apr 18, 2012 | 01:20 PM
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Galactus, think you could PM me your e-mail? Have a question for you but I can't send PMs yet and don't want to spam the forum quite yet
 
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the info didn't state the mileage nor the status other than New 991s. It may be a test mule from the intro ? The point is that there are units stacked on the lots on the East Coast. Note the dip in the data:

US 911 sales (goodcarbadcar.net)
January '10 503 '11 436 '12 681
February '10 339 '11 405 '12 858
March '10 615 '11 609 '12 465
 
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I have noticed that there is some inventory of vehicles (not cabs really) and most dealerships will negotiate between 2-5% off the MSRP.

I don't think it's some overloaded inventory though, most of the cars on the lot are not well optioned.

There was a white coupe I was interested in that had been sitting on the dealer's lot since January...that lone sort of turned me off to it, who knows how many times it had been test driven.
 
Old Apr 18, 2012 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
Larry,

Why buy anything at all? Seem like you already have a diverse set of cars that you like a lot, with the 991, GT-R, etc. not really adding much value beyond what you already have. What's the motive?
You are right .

If I keep the 09 car it will be worth less in a year though and the car I would be ordering is a 2013 . (4 model years newer even though my car has more than 1 year of warranty) .

Yet my 997.2S is so nice .. so it boils down to is the new car a want or a need ? It's clearly a want but its not even a thrilled want because the price increase of the new car is high enough to price out logic of a trading the old . Plus the old car is really that good !!!

In contrast if this was the days of the 996 I woild have wanted to trade in BOTH a 996 and 996 Turbo to have the new Carerra S in 05 and look at how great that car was then only to be a "car to avoid" now (RMS and IMS etc) .

I began to think .. is this car the next Porsche icon ?
I don't think it will be . i think its just the next step for porsche and I am not even sure it's in the right direction.

I am tired . No car deal as of today.
 
Old Apr 18, 2012 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by w00tPORSCHE
I would wait on this one Larry. You have modded your 997.2 to perfection. Are you kidding me. Stay put for a while and then when the time comes we both can shop for a 991TT (you) and GT3 (me) together and get a nice discount.
Ha! My thoughts exactly. My dealer is being very very snub nose on any negotiations.
 
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Originally Posted by Galactus
So they are selling the car at $8000 below invoice? On a brand new car, not a demo with miles? I will tell my manager to purchase the car and truck it out here for us to sell. My dealership has one car in stock and we are now taking orders on 2013 models. $1000 discount only.....not $20K. As for the speed of the 991S it is almost as quick as the 2007 turbo and is a much faster car than the 2011 GTS model:


2012 991 S PDK:

0-60mph 3.5 seconds
0-100mph 8.4 seconds
1/4 mile 11.8@118.5mph

http://www.roadandtrack.com/content/...era_S_data.pdf

That's flippin' fast!
 
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yrralis - good review and nice to see your open mind given some of your musing s on the 991 over the last while.

it seems that driving the 991 is a little transformative!

any comments on the engine sound(s)? i was pretty blown away by the sounds in my "around the block" test i had last week.
 
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Originally Posted by Cpa4S
yrralis - good review and nice to see your open mind given some of your musing s on the 991 over the last while.

it seems that driving the 991 is a little transformative!

any comments on the engine sound(s)? i was pretty blown away by the sounds in my "around the block" test i had last week.

I have the FVD exhaust in my 09 car and the Tubi race exhaust in my Turbo so I viewed the 991s stock exhaust as quite tame in contrast .

It's been very hard to try and buy a more expensive 997S while taking the depreciation hit on my 09 car while clinging to my highly modded Turbo (I love that car) .

Part of me thinks its silly and expensive .
I wrestle with this a lot .
 


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