If only I bought a 997 instead of a 991 ?
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Having just picked my 991 this past Friday I can honestly say I have no regrets. This thing sounds and drives amazing.........listen the 997 was a great car but this car has taken the excitement to a new level. It always takes me a few weeks before I feel like the new car is actually mine. I felt really comfortable owning and enjoying the 997 but this car is lots of fun.
The only way I would ever look back is if I wanted to keep more green in my pocket otherwise I am very happy with my choice.
The only way I would ever look back is if I wanted to keep more green in my pocket otherwise I am very happy with my choice.
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Honestly, my wife has really surprised me in going for the CR and continuing to love it (I ask her often). And she's surprising me further by joining me for autocross and taking it seriously. Very fun to be able to talk about driving and cars with your wife.
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It's a fair and useful set of questions, but it would be difficult and painful for a 991 owner to say yes to any of them.
Even if a 991 owner has doubts about their decision, I think the best thing for them to do is to put those doubts aside and spend at least several months getting to know the car and appreciating it's strengths before judging. There's plenty to love about the 991.
IMO, car enthusiasts must always be on guard against the 'grass is greener on the other side' syndrome, which not only takes away enjoyment of what you have, but can also be expensive and futile. Someone in 6speed once offered the advice 'love what you have' as a key to happiness, and I think it's excellent advice.
Even if a 991 owner has doubts about their decision, I think the best thing for them to do is to put those doubts aside and spend at least several months getting to know the car and appreciating it's strengths before judging. There's plenty to love about the 991.
IMO, car enthusiasts must always be on guard against the 'grass is greener on the other side' syndrome, which not only takes away enjoyment of what you have, but can also be expensive and futile. Someone in 6speed once offered the advice 'love what you have' as a key to happiness, and I think it's excellent advice.
In short .. if the 997 were the better car then the 991 owner would gladly surrender his inferior 991 , pocket the cash difference , and move on .
But that's not the case thus far on this thread .
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A high end car owner might trade in his car in a heartbeat if it did not meet his expectations . He doesn't need extra time to convince himself while the car depreciates . Plus it would not be "painful" to trade the car in . Going from a 997 to a 991 can cost 60K easily (plus the trade) and going back he's still going to have 40K or so back.
In short .. if the 997 were the better car then the 991 owner would gladly surrender his inferior 991 , pocket the cash difference , and move on .
But that's not the case thus far on this thread .
In short .. if the 997 were the better car then the 991 owner would gladly surrender his inferior 991 , pocket the cash difference , and move on .
But that's not the case thus far on this thread .
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Difficult to say, but more now than months from now when new 991s are more plentiful at dealers.
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Just for ease lets assume a 991S MSRP of 130K and invoice is around 114 and trade in value gets 107K . A 997.2 2009 retails for 75 (some are less others are more) . What he gets as discounts or how he shops this (whether it is priavte party or authorized dealership) can vary the numbers greatly .
But roughly --
107 -75 = 32K at worst to have the 997 . If the 997 is deemed (paraphrasing) "the better car" then the 32K is the icing on the cake.
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Just for ease lets assume a 991S MSRP of 130K and invoice is around 114 and trade in value gets 107K . A 997.2 2009 retails for 75 (some are less others are more) . What he gets as discounts or how he shops this (whether it is priavte party or authorized dealership) can vary the numbers greatly .
But roughly --
107 -75 = 32K at worst to have the 997 . If the 997 is deemed (paraphrasing) "the better car" then the 32K is the icing on the cake.
But roughly --
107 -75 = 32K at worst to have the 997 . If the 997 is deemed (paraphrasing) "the better car" then the 32K is the icing on the cake.
And the comparison should be with a relatively new and well-equipped 997, not a 2009. In that scenario, little or no money will be pocketed, and don't forget that taxes will be paid twice.
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Larry,
Another point to consider. You had two 997s, and are replacing only one of them with a 991, so you'll still have a 997. For the sake of variety, I would also rather have a 997 and a 991 (or GT-R) rather than two 997s.
But you've framed the question for the situation where someone can only have one 911, and needs to pick between the 997 and 991. That's a very different situation, and not your situation.
Another point to consider. You had two 997s, and are replacing only one of them with a 991, so you'll still have a 997. For the sake of variety, I would also rather have a 997 and a 991 (or GT-R) rather than two 997s.
But you've framed the question for the situation where someone can only have one 911, and needs to pick between the 997 and 991. That's a very different situation, and not your situation.
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This is a silly thread.
Mostly enthusiasts here who love their 991, as they should.
the question should be...how many buyers have purchased a 991 but are going to trade it in for a GT3 or turbo variant when they arrive.
I hear that allot.
Mostly enthusiasts here who love their 991, as they should.
the question should be...how many buyers have purchased a 991 but are going to trade it in for a GT3 or turbo variant when they arrive.
I hear that allot.
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I don't own either (yet), but I can say from past experience that this seems to be a common phenomenon, and not just among Porsche owners. The owners of the "old" model hate on the "new" model - until they buy one.
In a way, it's a natural reaction. You have an emotional attachment to the current car you own. You don't want to see it replaced by something better, especially if you can't have it now or ever.
In a way, it's a natural reaction. You have an emotional attachment to the current car you own. You don't want to see it replaced by something better, especially if you can't have it now or ever.
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I don't think that someone's intent to buy a new GT3 or Turbo implies any shortcomings in the current car. There have always been owners whose needs are best satisfied by the more expensive vehicles.
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I agree that what you are seeing is normal "new car squabbling"....
I do not believe that the generational gap between the 997 and 991 is quite as big as say the 993 and 996. I know for a fact there are porsche enthusiests out there that stopped purchasing new Porsches after the 993. Citing that there is an experience that the 993 provides that the 996 simply cannot.
So, all this being said, I find this question a moot point.
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I do not believe that the generational gap between the 997 and 991 is quite as big as say the 993 and 996. I know for a fact there are porsche enthusiests out there that stopped purchasing new Porsches after the 993. Citing that there is an experience that the 993 provides that the 996 simply cannot.
So, all this being said, I find this question a moot point.
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So the loss on the 991 is $23K in two months. That's a depreciation rate equal to about 100% in the first year. Rather than taking that hit, I think a lot of guys would say 'oh well, maybe I would have been happier with a 997, but I have this 991 now, which is pretty good too, so I guess I'll just hang on to it for a while rather than taking a big financial hit so quickly'.
And the comparison should be with a relatively new and well-equipped 997, not a 2009. In that scenario, little or no money will be pocketed, and don't forget that taxes will be paid twice.
And the comparison should be with a relatively new and well-equipped 997, not a 2009. In that scenario, little or no money will be pocketed, and don't forget that taxes will be paid twice.
Wait a minute .. that price estimate is based on trading in the 991 at wholesale and buying the 997 at used car retail price . If one sold the 991 private party and bought the 991 the same way that loss significantly decreases .
A 130K 991 could easily sell at 118K rwo months later .
A private party 997 can be bought for 70K .
That's 48 K back in his pocket .
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Larry,
Another point to consider. You had two 997s, and are replacing only one of them with a 991, so you'll still have a 997. For the sake of variety, I would also rather have a 997 and a 991 (or GT-R) rather than two 997s.
But you've framed the question for the situation where someone can only have one 911, and needs to pick between the 997 and 991. That's a very different situation, and not your situation.
Another point to consider. You had two 997s, and are replacing only one of them with a 991, so you'll still have a 997. For the sake of variety, I would also rather have a 997 and a 991 (or GT-R) rather than two 997s.
But you've framed the question for the situation where someone can only have one 911, and needs to pick between the 997 and 991. That's a very different situation, and not your situation.
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If you would like to see a similar car Sharky did a beautiful job on this one to give you an idea . Listen to those Turbos just spool up with the Tubi race .
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