Those are two 997s!! Are you still convinced it doesn't make a difference?

I don't mean to dismiss the legitimacy of your viewpoint but when you start championing the stereo over the newest and potentially most significant performance option on the world's most celebrated sports car... after a 20 minute test on the street... words fail me...

You might be right, since only time will tell. But your conclusions are neither scientific (see video), nor thorough.

 

BnB, when I saw the video I too assumed it was a 991 vs 997 but after looking at it more carefully I think you are correct. They are both 997's.

Re pdcc, I think there are quite a few 6speeders who have it on their 991. It would be interesting to get their views. Technically I'm convinced about it's benefits, and thus me going for it, I am intrigued about its weight and complexity.

 

Everyone I've spoken to who has PDCC swears by it. I've opted for it too and may yet regret the decision. But at least I'll have the benefit of some extensive experience when I make my judgement. I understand it is considerably lighter than the equivalent tech on a Cayenne or Panamera.

I did have an hour with a PDCC car, as well as three test drives without (on mountain roads). The non-PDCC cars felt wallowy by comparison. But time will eventually tell much more than a test drive.

 

Haku,
I guess I kicked off the a storm by bringing up the PDCC issue in replying to your post about the build. But it is an interesting thread. Here is my 0.02 again.

I disagree with everyone about the PDCC and its usefulness on the track versus the street. I think the benefits are quite the opposite. If anyone has closely followed the 991s on the track in the hand hands of novice drivers, they are very quick. Its bcos the car compensates a lot of for lack skill...PDCC, PTV and and improved chassis all contributing. So if you are a novice driver who wants to do regular DEs or an aspiring racer, PDCC is the last thing you should have on the car bcos it one less feedback you will have during your learning...I think it will seriously affect your skills development. You will be fast but slow to learn.

On the other hand, for street driving, its good to have: it will be fun going around country roads or mountainous twists and feeling that awesome-handling chassis setup. It might even save you from bad wreck someday...less body-roll, less panic and less steering corrections,and less chance of going off the road and off a guard rail. On the track though, you want to feel those limits just to learn.

So there is my thoughts..sorry about the long post.

 

I like it! The Pt/Ag goes great with the Pt wheels. I get lots of complements! Congrats and drive it in good health!

 

JMO - anything that keeps you on the track or on the road and not face to face with oncoming traffic is a good thing - for novices or NASCAR drivers. Get it!

 

I can't imagine Porsche making pdcc available on the 991 if there were not significant benefits including weight/performance ratios. I too may regret the decision but for me it makes sense to go for it.

I think the PDCC issue you raised and others have commented on are very relevant and interesting. It's a technology that I for one have not been familiar with and am eager to learn about from others. Hence my appreciation of the differing views from all. All of the comments about pdcc (pro and other) are valid to some extent and therefore have merit.

 

Thank you AG, I looked at pics of your car and it looks stunning. Congratulations!

I'm trying to find images of a PlatSilver 991 with Carrera S wheel in Platinum... no luck so far except configurator.

 

agree with chuck. +1

 

Definitely agree AG's car is stunning ...

As far as PDCC I cannot comment since I don't have it but I can say on the public roads my Carrera S without it is incredible ... the problem I am having is I cannot come close to ANY of the cars 'partial limits' let alone 'total' limits.

What I mean by this is I took a turn the other day very comfortably at 60 mph while the recommended speed was much lower ... about a 1/4 mile later a State tropper comes flying up my butt to pull me over ... unsafe speed he said and here I was not even pushing the car ... he of course had a Chevy Tahoe and it obviously took him quite a lot to catch me but honestly I was surprised ... it really felt like nothing.

This car is really too incredible to ever hit any part of it's limits on the road so with that said if you track it than I can see getting it, if not my goodness this car is insane enough to out handle ANY public road comfortably.

BTW .... no ticket

 

af, I'm pleased that the trooper didn't ticket you.

I agree that the handling on almost any 991 is superior to most cars out there and that its limits are rarely going to be reached or exploited by the average driver. It is worth remembering that human nature is to yearn for better, faster, bigger, etc. hence some of us buying a P car and most times adding bits that address those yearnings.

With reference to your specific post speed limits and advisorys are of course based on what is deemed to be safe for the 'average' vehicle. Apart from inreasing the performance evelope of the vehicle pdcc is just another enhancement. IMO whether on a track or public roads, it influences safety, confidence, and driver experience. Some of it will be good and some not. The same applies to almost every engineering innovation or new implementation whether it be ceramic brakes, abs, seat belts, etc. My GT3 was stupendously agile and could take bends at breakneck speeds... the latter being the keywords. A pdcc equipped car will probably match that performance but in relative comfort and may even be more forgiving than the GT3.

I think I'm rambling so I'll stop but I hope you get my points.

Btw, yours is another fine looking car too.

 

Haku,
Mine is Pt silver with platinum wheels. I know I posted other pictures - look back at threads around the end of March and early April. I will post others if you want.

 

Thank you for the pointers AG, much appreciated. Your car looks fabulous! Due to my newness on this forum I was not aware of your earlier posts and pictures but my oh my.... what a terrific combo! I'd love to see more pics if it's not too much trouble. Thanks.

I think that apart from the leather interior which you have, and the PSE which I have, our spec is the same. I'm looking forward to seeing mine for real....it's going to be a while as completion is scheduled for the 20th of September with delivery sometime in October. Until then I'll drool over your car.

 

Here's an interesting article about suspension and PDCC that I came across - I have posted the same on the PDCC - Thoughts thread but thought it appropriate to repost here as well (admins feel free to override) :

Edmunds Insideline - Suspension Walkaround: 2012 Porsche 911 Carrera S

"...The stabilizer bar link (green) is hydraulic, as is its opposite number on the other side of the car. A central computer looks at body height sensors, steering angle and a host of other factors to determine how to make them behave.

On straight roads they can go limp to essentially remove the stabilizer bar from the picture for a smooth ride. In corners they can be made to "overdrive" what the stabilizer bar could otherwise do on its own to utterly eliminate body roll. Or the computer can dial in any amount of roll stiffness in between, and it can change its mind in real time as road conditions or driver inputs fluctuate.

Porsche calls this Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control (PDCC) and it's the first time they've fit it to a 911-series vehicle. Whatever you call it, it flat works. This very car pulled 1.04 g on our skidpad, and some of the credit has to be put down to the way this system can make use of all four tires instead of leaning heavily on the outside ones.

You could theoretically achieve the same skidpad prowess with a pair of very big stabilizer bars, but then the car would ride like Grade A dog doo. Conversely, a hydraulic anti-roll system such as this doesn't need a physical stabilizer in between the left and right struts at all, but in that case there'd be no fail-safe if the system developed a fault."

 

I especially like the carrera S wheels painted, i wanted aftermarket, but those are my favoriite OEM wheels, I would seriously consider another 2500 for the burmeister sound. The Bose on my 997s was crappy, but the Burmeister on my 991 is unbelievable, and in a coupe Id imagine even better. Nice Build overall,

2012 911 Carrera S 991
Carrara White
Espresso natural leather interior
PDK
Sport Chrono package
Model Logo on center Console
Porsche crest in Headrests
Sport design steering wheel
HRE p40 SC Satin Black Wheels
Burmeister (R) Audio Package
Premium package with 14 way seats
Cabriolet roof in black