When you file a "lemon law" action you make a brief and go to an arbitrator. If you loose, you can still file a lawsuit. If you win, the manufacturer will have to fix it or buy your car back. If you take it to court and win, the manufacture can appeal which is a very long (expensive) process. You will have no idea what you will get if you win (you do with arbitration). I have used the lemon law in a case very similar and found it easy and very effective (I won). It can also bring on pre-arbitration negotiation. Fortunately, mine doesn't have the issue, but if it did I would file. If anyone wants a copy of my documentation, PM me.

ChuckJ

 

I would invest in a professional tune, I sincerely believe this is emissions related.

 

I understand your concern, but it apparently is nothing wrong with the car, just the natural consequence of the variocam plus in action... appears for me in my 2009 C2S under mild load such as going up an incline... and has continued to do this for all of its 107K miles.

I don't understand your comment about "conscience" ... the car is not broken.... Apparently this really bothers you... it does me to, but not enough to throw the car away. Do what you need to do......

Peace
Bruce in Philly

 

Definitely not a "tune" issue! This is a variocam issue. The head mechanic agrees as do most on this forum who have the issue. Why some cars have it and others don't is the big question! I did not experience it before the X51 install. That is one reason I posted, to let others know that it can happen even to power kit cars as I did not see anyone else reference that! But thx.

 

I read every post on this thread and saw your comments too. Sorry you have the issue on your 997.2. I had a 2010 C2S and
it was perfect! Should have kept that car! Grass is always greener! Any way, my good conscience is the fact that my 991 was "fine" before Power Kit install, and now it is not. This stumble is not right! It is annoying at the least. I still enjoy the car but every time it happens I get a frustrated and sad feeling! It doesn't last long but still ....
Thx Bruce.
peace to you
Rob in Louisville.

 

One of the reasons I traded my 991 on a 991.2

I had no remorse as the prior SA said the car had no issues, so here it goes then. My current SA suggested is a PDK issue and it's not solvable as it is (probably referring to their cost benefit). I don't see a recall or class action, the latter being what they deserved.

 

Thx John for your reply! If it was a PDK issue then the guys here w MT would not be dealing w the stumble too! But they are! And, I had no issue UNTIL the power kit was installed! That has nada to do w transmission. It is new heads, intake cams, and intake system! I may look for a 15/16 GTS and one test drive and I will know if it has the "dreaded stumble! I don't want a Turbo. Cheers,
Rob

 

Why do you think a class action law suit would be successful? Porsche has clearly stated in its warranty over the years that their cars have "characteristic" behaviour that may vary from car to car, including sounds, vibrations, etc.

There is no warranty from Porsche express or implied that their cars will be perfect in the eyes of each individual owner. If that was the case, in general with car manufacturers, there would be class action law suits for every little item in a car that could have been designed better.

Engine stumble irritating? Definitely. Actionable? Doubt it.

 

live with it or got to try to make them fix it!

 

Who said it was broken?

Peace
Bruce in Philly

 

It is not related to PDK (I have 7MT). It is not related to throttle body. It is not related to bad gas. I believe it is related to the variocam. The only chance we have at some class action would be to counter the Porsche marketing literature itself which indicated that the VarioCam Plus system acted "unnoticeably".

 

Have you ever read the 911 sales booklet? It makes the "claim" that the vario-cam system is seamless and undetectable to the driver. They make it sound like it is the greatest technology advancement since 4 valves per cylinder! So I will per sue this probably per the lemon laws as recommended above. Thx

 

Rob
When you look into this I think you will find your state laws require a safety issue; ours did. If your hesitation makes you think it might make you think the car will not have consistent acceleration, putting you in an unsafe position when having to respond to traffic (including intersections), you have a safety issue. My car had a very small "buck" that I assessed as backfiring in the manifold and only in some specific situations and that was enough that they were forced to buy the back the car. Further, when you file, it opens up for the manufacturer to negotiate. I know of two cases on this forum where that happened. One was Nick Murray whose videos got their attention it and the other filed a Lemon Law and it was settled. Complaining to the dealer or PCNA is wasting time in my opinion.

If you file early, they will pay for almost all the car. If they loose the arbitration the title becomes a lemon law title so it behooves them to negotiate so they don't have to call it a lemon law car. Key is getting their attention (and not in court). They would much prefer going to court.

Chuck

 

Good luck with your journey. I hope you have enough time and money to pursue this. Personally, after years of driving cars that never seem to do exactly what they advertise, I just move on to the next one. My current 2013 BMW 535 does the following: drops calls, fails to connect phone via bluetooth, has difficulty connecting the iPhone via USB and navigating my music collection, sometimes fails to recognize the keyless go key (unless I hold it to the steering column - intermittent), locks and unlocks the doors spontaneously from time to time. Other than that, the car is great. After running back and forth to the dealer several times, I got the phone working (more or less). The rest of it? Just waiting to return the car off lease and pick up my new 911.

I make too much money in my day jobs to waste time and money chasing something that will never be fixed and in your case, I'm betting Porsche just has way more money than you do to spend in court, so good luck with all that.

What does seamless mean? How do you know the stumble is related to the various cam? Have you had an engineer tell you that? Will he testify? What is his assessment of the "fix"? Is the car actually broken? Do you expect perfection from the machine? What would you consider to be acceptable in terms of engine smoothness? Is a lumpy idle OK? What about a cough and hiccup when the car is cold? Shrieking belt noise OK when cold? Squealing brakes OK when cool? There are some of the questions you'll have to answer. I'm not trying to be a jerk - but you have to appreciate that everything could stand some improvement in life.

Nothing is perfect. Maybe the engine management could be better than your car's. Since the 1950's Porsche has learned something about design and engineering each and every year. Think of it, look at the 2017 911 its drive and capabilities as compared to the 996, 996, etc going all the way back to the first 911s. How do you think the current car got so good? Porsche learned stuff. So the engine management in the 2017 is an evolution of what is in your car. That's called progress. The clutch is better too. Does that mean that the heavy clutch is a defect in the earlier car? What about the steering? Much improved in the 991.2, also the PDK - much less jerking on downshifts. Does that mean that yours is defective because its not perfectly smooth?

The one thing that will kill your lemon case is the fact that this is a fairly prevalent "condition". Lots of cars are doing it. Maybe is just "characteristic" of the car?

Let us know how you make out with your lemon case.

 

Perhaps it's not about money for some, and more importantly, not every Porsche owner makes too much money in their day job.
Some may have saved a lifetime or bought the damn car out right.
Hence, it's not so simple for all to dismiss and walk away.
Just saying...