Probably because the shifter is backwards.......ha ha!

 

Right... except your entire argument here is based on a lap in a street-spec 991S equipped with a PDK lever, as well as steering wheel paddles. Pay attention to my post, where I mention "race/rally cars with sequential transmissions." If you didn't know, most older (and even current) rally cars (and quite a few road racing cars) I mentioned only had/have a single shifter sticking out toward the driver; no paddles. Hence, it's a different story.

I'll make sure to tell these "journalists" what you think, though.

 

We can beat around the bush as long as we want. Fact is, compared to the de facto standard, Porsche has got it wrong in the Carrera. I hope they will rectify it like they did in the GT3. And while they're at it, they can place the paddles on the steering column too, instead of on the steering wheel !

2 minor changes, and we're back on track with how every racecar on this planet does it ! Come on Porsche. I'm holding on to my C2 until you fix this ;-)

 

The paddles switch gears electrically. It's just two contact closures.
I would assume the very same is true for the stick - it does not row any gears - it just closes one of two contacts depending which way you push.
That should mean it could be as simple as swapping two wires to get this fixed (if you don't mind the "+" and "-" symbols staying where they are).

Would be nice to have access to a workshop manual to find out...

Rainier

 

Ooh! Now we're talking! Now how do we get to those wires?

 

+100%. Downshift on left paddle; upshift with right paddle. Both paddles on the steering COLUMN. Porsche is trying to reinvent the wheel here. Perhaps another reason to opt for MT.

 

My bigger issue is with the direction of the shift lever action then the columns on the wheels.

On the street I rarely use the paddles and even out on track since my mind is somewhat hardwired for a manual I find myself using the lever instead of the paddles.
When you are braking into a 2nd gear corner from 130mph pushing back on the lever to drop down gears is just counter intuitive.

Guess I need a GT3.

 

IIRC the same exact situation played out with BMWs and their Steptronic 5 series in the 2000s vis a vis the pull and push gear changes. Like now, some defended the "wrong" way (which is how all 991s except GT3 are set up) but then BMW reversed the direction and then those defenders were nowhere to be found subsequently.

In that instance the 5 series owners did find a way to switch the + and - leads so that the shifter worked "correctly" - so it may be possible to do the same with PDK. I find paddles much more ergonomic anyways so it really doesn't bother me.

 

Please do. Also ask them to explain Kluck's body not lurching forward and back like they claim it should, which blows their theory away. Or, maybe he's just smoother than they are in their 6 year-old Mazdas, perhaps, and because they're lurching all over the place they think that's the way it should be for everyone/every car?

By the way, when I'm in strapped into a 5-point harness, my body does not move. Period. Kluck just has the standard diagonal seat belt. I really don't understand what they mean or why it's a problem for them.


Don't know how to make the Roll Eyes symbol like you, but it's implied.

 

Agree.

 

Every Porsche race car (and probably every race car) with sequential shifting is “pull back for upshift”. Why they decided is change that for their street cars is bewildering.

Sure you can use the paddles but sometimes I like the shifter (even with it being backwards).

So to get back on track. Is there a “fix” to this issue of backwards shifter?

 

You keep referring back to Kluck's lap. Again, the car being used there is a modern-day 991S with PDK. How are you even attempting to compare this to the rally or race cars of yesteryear? You've claimed in prior posts that you're an "experienced" instructor and have participated in races, right? Surely, someone with said experience would qualify as an enthusiast, and would know the driving conditions / type of cars that rally and race drivers used to put up with. Not every race situation looks as smooth as a controlled lap around the Ring in a brand-new, GT street car. Pretty sure Kluck can attest to that.

Secondly, what's with the exaggerated remarks and random low blows in your posts? Where did anyone ever mention Evo having "problems" with the setup? And who drives the 6-year old Mazdas? Their editors who own Zondas and GT3s? I simply posted Evo's explanation regarding something that MANY enthusiasts discuss. If I remember correctly, their "theory" (which they addressed in a single paragraph) was based on interviews with heads of a couple of small, unknown auto brands that have absolutely no racing experience. One of them may have been "BMW," but I've never heard of them.

Bottom line: This technology was not implemented in 2013. Decades have gone by since race drivers experienced this type of transmission in a car. You can throw out Kluck's laps and modern-day iterations of this technology all you want, but it doesn't apply.

Oh, and just for some giggles, here's an amazing video of a GT3 on a rainy, slippery, dirty rally track. As you can see, even this car is equipped with a sequential transmission that uses the "pull to upshift, push to downshift" setup. Watch the entire video:


There are plenty of occasions where Ruben literally "throws" his open-palm right hand onto the shifter and pushes the level forward without having to think about it, especially when he has to tame a wet track with a shift lever and an e-brake lever, all while grabbing the steering wheel immediately afterwards to correct oversteer. Sure, if the design were the other way around, one would get "used to it." But this, in my (and many other people's) opinion, is easier and more intuitive.

 

Why don't be we ask Timo Kluck which way he prefers…..lol.

 

I'm not. The OP's gripe was the direction of the shifter in his 991S.

Which is why I linked the video of Kluck in a .......... 991S. Same car, but no lurching as promised by the "experts".

You're the one trying to turn this into a discussion of rallye and race cars of yesterday's lore. Reading comprehension, please.

I notice from your signature that you have a 7MT. But you sure spend a lot of time on this forum trashing the PDK shift lever. Why? Most people would be smugly ... or confidently, at least...happy with their choice.



"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
Hamlet, act III, scene II

 

I apologize. I have a low opinion of automotive journalists, who rarely own a new Porsche, yet strive to find things wrong with them. For example, whenever Autoweek's Wes Raynal demos a new 991, 981, Cayenne TT or Panamera he complains about all the buttons in the center console. Yet, even though he had some teenaged boys in the car one weekend,,,,who are typically pretty good at game consoles and on/off buttons... he complained that the car always stalled at red lights and stop signs. He's test driving a PORSCHE and he can't even figure out how to put it in Sport???? He/they then figured out it was the Auto Stop stop feature stalling the car and it was always on. He ended by criticizing Porsche for releasing a car without the ability to turn it off.

But I need to be more tolerant. I'm sorry.