PDK shift direction
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I'm not. The OP's gripe was the direction of the shifter in his 991S.
Which is why I linked the video of Kluck in a .......... 991S. Same car, but no lurching as promised by the "experts".
You're the one trying to turn this into a discussion of rallye and race cars of yesterday's lore. Reading comprehension, please.
I notice from your signature that you have a 7MT. But you sure spend a lot of time on this forum trashing the PDK shift lever. Why? Most people would be smugly ... or confidently, at least...happy with their choice.
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
Hamlet, act III, scene II
Which is why I linked the video of Kluck in a .......... 991S. Same car, but no lurching as promised by the "experts".
You're the one trying to turn this into a discussion of rallye and race cars of yesterday's lore. Reading comprehension, please.
I notice from your signature that you have a 7MT. But you sure spend a lot of time on this forum trashing the PDK shift lever. Why? Most people would be smugly ... or confidently, at least...happy with their choice.
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
Hamlet, act III, scene II
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I apologize. I have a low opinion of automotive journalists, who rarely own a new Porsche, yet strive to find things wrong with them. For example, whenever Autoweek's Wes Raynal demos a new 991, 981, Cayenne TT or Panamera he complains about all the buttons in the center console. Yet, even though he had some teenaged boys in the car one weekend,,,,who are typically pretty good at game consoles and on/off buttons... he complained that the car always stalled at red lights and stop signs. He's test driving a PORSCHE and he can't even figure out how to put it in Sport???? He/they then figured out it was the Auto Stop stop feature stalling the car and it was always on. He ended by criticizing Porsche for releasing a car without the ability to turn it off.
But I need to be more tolerant. I'm sorry.
But I need to be more tolerant. I'm sorry.
I for one, like you, don't hold their writings in high regards. I'd rather hear from knowledgeable people on this and that other board with day to day real world experience instead.
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Oh, and just for some giggles, here's an amazing video of a GT3 on a rainy, slippery, dirty rally track. As you can see, even this car is equipped with a sequential transmission that uses the "pull to upshift, push to downshift" setup. Watch the entire video:
There are plenty of occasions where Ruben literally "throws" his open-palm right hand onto the shifter and pushes the level forward without having to think about it, especially when he has to tame a wet track with a shift lever and an e-brake lever, all while grabbing the steering wheel immediately afterwards to correct oversteer. Sure, if the design were the other way around, one would get "used to it." But this, in my (and many other people's) opinion, is easier and more intuitive.
There are plenty of occasions where Ruben literally "throws" his open-palm right hand onto the shifter and pushes the level forward without having to think about it, especially when he has to tame a wet track with a shift lever and an e-brake lever, all while grabbing the steering wheel immediately afterwards to correct oversteer. Sure, if the design were the other way around, one would get "used to it." But this, in my (and many other people's) opinion, is easier and more intuitive.
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On occasion under hard acceleration thinking I'm in M mode I have knocked the car into neutral.
So for that reason and others, I think it should be reversed.
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^ Yes it would be great to switch it, by any means necessary.
Until then, I will avoid using the lever, so I dont get used to the wrong way.
Glad I dont have the MF wheel as then it would be double wrong. LOL
So is this backwards lever action a bad carry over from TipTronic?
Until then, I will avoid using the lever, so I dont get used to the wrong way.
Glad I dont have the MF wheel as then it would be double wrong. LOL
So is this backwards lever action a bad carry over from TipTronic?
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My initial post was in support of the direction, as I come from MT and this is my first PDK. I have the MF wheel and always use the lever to change gears when in M mode.
On occasion under hard acceleration thinking I'm in M mode I have knocked the car into neutral.
So for that reason and others, I think it should be reversed.
On occasion under hard acceleration thinking I'm in M mode I have knocked the car into neutral.
So for that reason and others, I think it should be reversed.
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Love the video .. and agree with the rest .. we shouldn't get used to it because it is an easy fix for Porsche ! They just have to adhere to the standard, paddles (left down, right up) on the column and pdk stick the right way (down is push forward, up is pull backward). It has been like this for ages and there is NO reason to change it !
I wonder if it's possible to switch around some wires and reverse the shifting direction, like others have mentioned here. I'll ask my local P-car shop about it.
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I apologize. I have a low opinion of automotive journalists, who rarely own a new Porsche, yet strive to find things wrong with them. For example, whenever Autoweek's Wes Raynal demos a new 991, 981, Cayenne TT or Panamera he complains about all the buttons in the center console. Yet, even though he had some teenaged boys in the car one weekend,,,,who are typically pretty good at game consoles and on/off buttons... he complained that the car always stalled at red lights and stop signs. He's test driving a PORSCHE and he can't even figure out how to put it in Sport???? He/they then figured out it was the Auto Stop stop feature stalling the car and it was always on. He ended by criticizing Porsche for releasing a car without the ability to turn it off.
But I need to be more tolerant. I'm sorry.
But I need to be more tolerant. I'm sorry.
I love this!!! No, you don't. This is what gives automotive 'journalists' a bad wrap, and has tainted my opinion on just about everything. There is always some other motivation behind the review. Always a skew to one side. Very disturbing.
If what you describe has indeed happened, you should not be more tolerant. In fact that dude should be sacked asap ! On the other hand. Who cares what which journo writes ? It's just entertainment. And they are a business, so they have to sell by any means necessary.
I for one, like you, don't hold their writings in high regards. I'd rather hear from knowledgeable people on this and that other board with day to day real world experience instead.
I for one, like you, don't hold their writings in high regards. I'd rather hear from knowledgeable people on this and that other board with day to day real world experience instead.
I agree with all of this.
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The opposite is of course applied when accelarating.
In a 15ton bus where you can't feel if it's accelarating or not I wouldn't think much of it but in the most iconic sports car ever made I feel it's just plain wrong.
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In the mid 2000's Porsche's with automatic transmissions allowed for "manual" gear selection. I think since the majority of the people who bought these 911's never intended to use their cars in the way it was intended to be, Porsche kept the shift direction similar to other pseudo sports cars with similar automatics so that the people who bought them wouldn't complain. With the advent of the PDK I think they stuck with the same format again to not raise too many complaints these same customers who probably will never track this car (the majority). Thats my theory anyways. Waiting for a fix....
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A 5-point harness doesn't make you immune to inertia and simple physics. When you break hard your whole body is pushed forward, and that includes you arms and hands. Your right hand wants to move forward, so the most natural and easy way to downshift is to push the lever forward.
The opposite is of course applied when accelarating.
In a 15ton bus where you can't feel if it's accelarating or not I wouldn't think much of it but in the most iconic sports car ever made I feel it's just plain wrong.
The opposite is of course applied when accelarating.
In a 15ton bus where you can't feel if it's accelarating or not I wouldn't think much of it but in the most iconic sports car ever made I feel it's just plain wrong.
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Who cares why they made it one way or another. Or even if you like it one way or another. The fact is that EVERY race on the planet that has a sequential shifter has pull back for up shift and push forward for down shift. Why would a car company with such racing heritage decide to do the complete opposite? Blows my mind.
It would be like Smith and Wesson building a new gun and put the target sights on the side of the barrel.
Marc
PS. I like using the shift level even though I have paddles. I feel the paddles are too small. Also there are times that I shift in a corner. You then have to go looking for the correct paddle. Get it wrong and bad stuff happens.
It would be like Smith and Wesson building a new gun and put the target sights on the side of the barrel.
Marc
PS. I like using the shift level even though I have paddles. I feel the paddles are too small. Also there are times that I shift in a corner. You then have to go looking for the correct paddle. Get it wrong and bad stuff happens.
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Who cares why they made it one way or another. Or even if you like it one way or another. The fact is that EVERY race on the planet that has a sequential shifter has pull back for up shift and push forward for down shift. Why would a car company with such racing heritage decide to do the complete opposite? Blows my mind.
It would be like Smith and Wesson building a new gun and put the target sights on the side of the barrel.
Marc
PS. I like using the shift level even though I have paddles. I feel the paddles are too small. Also there are times that I shift in a corner. You then have to go looking for the correct paddle. Get it wrong and bad stuff happens.
It would be like Smith and Wesson building a new gun and put the target sights on the side of the barrel.
Marc
PS. I like using the shift level even though I have paddles. I feel the paddles are too small. Also there are times that I shift in a corner. You then have to go looking for the correct paddle. Get it wrong and bad stuff happens.
