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Old Dec 21, 2013 | 12:42 PM
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Old Dec 21, 2013 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic in London
Hugely disappointed to read such unkind words in this otherwise friendly and supportive forum. Nobody condones recklessness on the public roads, for obvious reasons. But do we know for sure that this driver was reckless? We do not. The appropriate response is therefore one of sadness at the loss of life.
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Thank you! I couldn't agree more.
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I also think we should halt all debates and disputes within this thread. I like to relax when I get on this forum, not get worked up.
 
Old Dec 21, 2013 | 09:02 PM
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I also think we should halt all debates and disputes within this thread. I like to relax when I get on this forum, not get worked up.
I agree and this will be my last post in this thread. I do not think anybody's dead is fun and that we are all perfect drivers in all circumstances. What got me all fired up in the first place is what I have seen in the media and on the web over the last few weeks after the death of Paul Walker.

Speeding on the street and people dying 'living this passion' has been celebrated by thousands of kids who believe that Fast & Furious or Need for Speed are the real life and who watch the outcome of resulting accidents with fascination.

Whether it is Paul Walker's Carrera GT or the white 991 in Miami, given the magnitude of the damage, it is obvious that a huge amount of kinetic energy was at play and that speed was obviously a factor. We will never know if, other than going too fast, any other mistake was committed, if there was a mechanical failure or even if a third party was involved or caused the crash. And this is not the point.

My kids are -responsibly- driving old but fast cars and are familiar with the 'young enthusiasts' car scene. I have been to car meets too and seen how maybe 50% of the attendees are exhibiting dangerous behaviors on the street -both for themselves and others- without having the proper skills.

My whole point is that it is our responsibility to put the emphasis on the fact that excessive speed (again, not talking about going 10 or even 20mph too fast on a highway) is socially unacceptable and kills. Our community can be the best example to show that you can drive a fast car, 'be cool' but also be responsible on the road and adapt your behavior and speed to the circumstances with good judgement.

Sorry for the ramble. Every death should be mourned but our first reaction should be to learn from it and teach people around us that dying in such circumstance has nothing to do with fate. I'll now go back to more entertaining thread and wish that these few words could lead to a consensus in our small community.
 
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Fatal accidents can happen due to many reasons, speed is just one of them.

Vehicle maintenance, road design and driver impairment are some others.

On the topic of speeding i found this article that shows most fatal accidents happen at speeds below 50kph!


http://members.optusnet.com.au/carsa...eeds_jan07.pdf
 
Old Dec 22, 2013 | 07:53 AM
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Two guys lost their lives yesterday morning here in Miami. The driver lost control and ended up in a canal. Although these cars are filled with safety features let us all be reminded that we must drive with care.Attachment 311464
Bet they were high. Miami was the most ridiculously insane driving I've ever experienced. Half the drivers seem either high on cocaine, drunk, and/or too busy texting to steer a car while speeding at three times the limit. And when I say drivers, I'm including the cops, like that one cop last year that was so drunk in his squad car that he passed out and the car rolled into the middle of a major intersection blocking traffic until his buddies showed up to (not arrest) but help him move to the side of the road. Outside of Afghanistan, Miami has some of the best white-knuckle driving in the world. Only Grand Theft Auto Vice City compares. Seriously folks, I've seen Miami *** clowns flip a slow, low-to-the ground Honda Civic on a completely straight road, i.e., Le Jeune Road, in mid-day traffic. How the hell is that possible? Drugs and speed. So many crashes in Miami, it isn't even special to the news.

PS My insurance company told me that 75 percent of Miami Dade does not have car insurance. Boom.
 

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Originally Posted by SanibelSpeed
This is the person everyone is having so much fun criticizing for his driving errors that killed him and his friend. He could have been any one of us at one time or another. I doubt seriously there isn't a single one of us forum members who hasn't done something stupid behind the wheel at least once in their life.
That's not true, my friend. The stupid stuff I've seen in Miami does not compare to the rest of the country. It even surpasses the stupid stuff I've seen in Russia. One of my Miami neighbors said it best in one word to describe the situation: Savages.

This ain't a fluke for the Miami area. It happens all the time: http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/lo...inst-speeding/
 

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Old Dec 22, 2013 | 10:09 AM
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That's not true, my friend. The stupid stuff I've seen in Miami does not compare to the rest of the country. It even surpasses the stupid stuff I've seen in Russia. One of my Miami neighbors said it best in one word to describe the situation: Savages.

This ain't a fluke for the Miami area. It happens all the time: http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/lo...inst-speeding/
You have a lot of strong opinions but are short on facts. Miami isn't even in the top 10 of the most car-accident-prone cities in the country.
http://www.mainstreet.com/slideshow/...t-prone-cities
 
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Yes--strong opinions. Thank you. With only 25 percent of the residents with car insurance, according to USAA and GEICO, what incentive is there to report an accident. The most common way to handle it in Miami is either a payoff or hit & run.

Seriously if you need facts, google "miami, traffic accident, hit and run," then click news and limit the search to one month. All you get are sick, savage-like stories like this: http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/201...ndscaping-crew. The beach in Miami is great but some other things stink. Any day I ventured out of Coral Gables, Coconut Grove, and Key Biscayne was like Russian roulette. Beyond those areas, most of Miami is a sea of poverty, lack of education, crime on a grand scale (income tax return fraud, medical fraud, money laundering, property crime, murder), and self-destructive behaviors.
 

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Old Dec 22, 2013 | 01:16 PM
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Yes--strong opinions. Thank you. With only 25 percent of the residents with car insurance, according to USAA and GEICO, what incentive is there to report an accident. The most common way to handle it in Miami is either a payoff or hit & run.
Once again, you shoot your mouth off with your opinions but you have nothing to back them up. Roughly 25% of Floridians don't have car insurance, which is not the highest rate in the country: Mississippi and Maine have higher uninsured rates. Your claim that only 25% of drivers in Miami have insurance is ludicrous because 75% do have insurance while 25% do not. The national average is 14% uninsured so Florida and Miami have a high rate of uninsured motorists but certainly not 75% uninsured as you so ignorantly claim.
 
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Wrong. Seventy-five percent in Miami-Dade do not have car insurance (admittedly I was shocked too until confirmed by co-workers, who moved down to Miami). Good luck. You're going to need it. By the way, did you cite a source of any kind. lol I think I cited a few. Typical Miami ("I know you are but what am I" game).

 

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Old Dec 22, 2013 | 02:17 PM
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Dang. Pithy retort? Angry perhaps?


Take a taxi folks if you vacation in Miami, but I don't recommend going there unless you are law enforcement.

 

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Yeah, what facts? lol Miami is a dangerous place on the roadways. Note the recent dates. This is everyday stuff in Miami. Google it. It takes all of 3 seconds, no hard research at all. If you live there full time you really get to see the ridiculousness.
 
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