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If the Cayman had 400HP, would you still get a 911?

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Old Jan 28, 2014 | 02:12 PM
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Bigger Question: IF the Cayman had 400hp would you still own it?

YES! I loved everything, and I mean everything, about the Cayman except the lack of hp/torque, which made it a dog compared to the new Corvette, in my own opinion (which I am entitled to). I have owned 4 Porsches, and still race a 944 Turbo, but my daily driver was a Cayman S with headers and program to put it at 330 hp at the flywheel (stick shift) or about 297 hp at the rear wheels. It drove and handled well on the race track and around town and country but had NO torque compared to a mere 465 h.p. in my new car: a Z51 Vet. I could have added a rear-mounted turbo for around $15 K and thought long and hard about doing that, but then, the rest of the drivetrain may have failed with all that added hp/torque.

The answer in my lowly opinion: Porsche ought to make the entire drivetrain withstand 400 h.p. or more. It would be a Vette killer and beat anything else on the asphalt-race or street. I would definitely do it if I were an engineer at Porsche, unless overruled by marketing and the profit-making side of the house.
 
Old Jan 28, 2014 | 02:14 PM
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My 991 C2S is a better handling car than my 14 Boxter S or my old Exige. Instead of getting bogged down on theory, spend some time on the track. Yes the Boxter is more nimble in tight turns and a little more predictable however the 911 is faster and more entertaining. That includes comparison with the R8.
 
Old Jan 28, 2014 | 02:16 PM
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How tall are you guys? I'm 6'3" with 36" inseam -- if I put the seat all the way back, I'm too far from the pedals.
 
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Not in a million years would I take any car porsche or anyone else makes over my 911 cab.
 
Old Jan 28, 2014 | 02:27 PM
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And another thing about this "poll" of sorts,

If you were to post this on the Cayman/Boxster site you would find out how Cayman/Boxster OWNERS feel about this question. They already know the attributes and limitations of the Cayman, so they could express for themselves what and why they like about the Cayman. I'm almost 70 years old and am still disappointed in the performance of the Cayman S, though it is faster than most 911s due to its superior balance from front to rear. Heck, my 944 turbo with less than 200 rwhp can keep up with all but the fastest GT3s in the slow corners of NOLA Motorsports race track (2.75 mile asphalt super track). You can push the Cayman to higher turning speeds on the curves in streets, turnoffs, country roads, etc., than you can push the most common 911s.
 
Old Jan 28, 2014 | 02:33 PM
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Even lowly Car and Driver says the GT3 handles better than the Cayman R.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...11-gt3-feature
 
Old Jan 28, 2014 | 02:34 PM
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I do admit that I like the Cayman's lines and 'tossable' handling. If it had a superior power to weight ratio, it would be more desirable, but not enough to replace a 911. I'd consider adding one, but giving up a 911 is like giving up your Man Card.
 
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Porsche is just part of the VW umbrella and they DO make a mid engined Porsche. It is called the Audi R8 and many people, myself included prefer the handling of the 991.
 
Old Jan 28, 2014 | 02:47 PM
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Cayman all the way, looks so much better to me. I can't over-romanticize the 911 because it is a 911. Like Ferrari guys that talk about "provenance" all day long.
 
Old Jan 28, 2014 | 03:04 PM
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Wink Cayman...no. Boxster yes!

Cayman cabin is way too confining and claustrophobic....the Boxster doesn't give away much at all in terms of handling performance and is more versatile as well!
 
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Originally Posted by Ukexpat
I already have a 2010 Cayman S 3.8 with around 400hp at the wheels and a 2013 991 S Cab with 400 at the flywheel. Very different animals. I am happy driving a 991 cross country all day and then giving it a bit of a thratch when conditions allow and I'm in the mood. There can be absolutely no doubt that the Cayman is in another league when it comes to handling. Give it the oomph it deserves and all the good underpinnings and you have a machine that can live with pretty much anything out on the track. Of course, as PGmbH don't make the Cayman with all the goodies it ends up costing rather a lot more than a 991. But boy oh boy is it worth it
Ukexpat - details please on how you got to 3.8 & 400 hp......I'm drooling.....I'll not do it, but still like to know.....
 
Old Jan 28, 2014 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by mgsimmer
Cayman cabin is way too confining and claustrophobic....the Boxster doesn't give away much at all in terms of handling performance and is more versatile as well!
Not if you are 5' 5".....God had the Cayman built for me, not you....

Sorry......
 
Old Jan 28, 2014 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mgsimmer
Cayman cabin is way too confining and claustrophobic....the Boxster doesn't give away much at all in terms of handling performance and is more versatile as well!
I see it as built to fit me or intimate or closer to a true ****pit. I liked the one I had for two weeks. I did miss the back seat space though.
I do agree about the Boxster, I'm just not a cab guy.
 
Old Jan 28, 2014 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ZackK
Hey everyone.

I put this post on the main page, and I'm just curious what everyone thinks. If 911 and Cayman performance was dead even (and interior materials), would you still buy the 911, or choose the mid-engined Cayman?

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I actually love the Cayman, but my issue is I NEED THE EXTRA SEATS!
911 is the winner, ONLY BECAUSE of rear seats.
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Old Jan 28, 2014 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tx11
Even lowly Car and Driver says the GT3 handles better than the Cayman R.
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...11-gt3-feature
Sorry, the GT3 appears to have won only because of its tires. Put the same tires on both cars, and I'll bet the Cayman R wins - they were too close in every measurement, and the GT3 has track tires on it, the Cayman R good street tires.

You can't do head-to-head tests on two cars with such different tires.

C&D should have made this point, but failed to do so.
 


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