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Old Jan 26, 2014 | 06:23 AM
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Manual GT3s have been getting very pricy lately . That is because they don't make them anymore. If porsche decides to discontinue the manual on the 991 you can bet it will help the resale value
 
Old Jan 26, 2014 | 07:18 AM
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No worries. The flu got me cranky with my first response. Apologies.

Back to your issue. If your scud can keep you entertained till the 991 GT3 arrives I really would just stay put. Another consideration should be the rumored 991 facelift. If the 991.2 models are confirmed for 2015 model year it will have an effect on current 991 resale values.
The problem is that the scud just sits. I NEVER drive it. I bought it last summer after I sold my 997.2 GT3 (which I loooooved) thinking it would fill the void. Houston is such a sh*tty place to have a car like that.... I moved from OC a few years ago... If I still lived there, I wouldnt be selling it. A 911 is a much better car for the armpit aka Houston.
 
Old Jan 26, 2014 | 09:37 AM
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The problem is that the scud just sits. I NEVER drive it. I bought it last summer after I sold my 997.2 GT3 (which I loooooved) thinking it would fill the void. Houston is such a sh*tty place to have a car like that.... I moved from OC a few years ago... If I still lived there, I wouldnt be selling it. A 911 is a much better car for the armpit aka Houston.
Hmmm....I see your dilemma. I entirely understand you missing the 997.2 GT3 as there are few cars with the visceral appeal of it. I sold mine due to me being unable to drive it for a year (many broken bones - motorcycle and deer collision) and tried to replace it with more civilized cars till I healed. It was to no avail. That was until my 991 turned up and has been fantastic. If you're getting a 991S (whether MT or PDK) and want it to be anywhere near the GT3 in feel I would recommend you get sports chrono, PDCC + SPASM. That combo is transformational and offers as close to 997.2 GT3 like feel as you can get on a "conventional" 991S.

My 991 GT3 gets built this summer and it will replace my 2S. What are your 991 GT3 specs?
 
Old Jan 26, 2014 | 12:20 PM
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Hmmm....I see your dilemma. I entirely understand you missing the 997.2 GT3 as there are few cars with the visceral appeal of it. I sold mine due to me being unable to drive it for a year (many broken bones - motorcycle and deer collision) and tried to replace it with more civilized cars till I healed. It was to no avail. That was until my 991 turned up and has been fantastic. If you're getting a 991S (whether MT or PDK) and want it to be anywhere near the GT3 in feel I would recommend you get sports chrono, PDCC + SPASM. That combo is transformational and offers as close to 997.2 GT3 like feel as you can get on a "conventional" 991S.

My 991 GT3 gets built this summer and it will replace my 2S. What are your 991 GT3 specs?
Definitely will be a 2S... Trying to find a good value on a used one considering I'm dumping it when I get my GT3. I haven't spec'd my car out yet because I am holding out for the Sport Buckets to become available. I was number 2 at my dealership so have been passing on allocations. At this point if they aren't available June I'll just go ahead and pull the trigger without the seats.

How does the 2S compare to your old GT3?
 
Old Jan 26, 2014 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by avi8tir
Definitely will be a 2S... Trying to find a good value on a used one considering I'm dumping it when I get my GT3. I haven't spec'd my car out yet because I am holding out for the Sport Buckets to become available. I was number 2 at my dealership so have been passing on allocations. At this point if they aren't available June I'll just go ahead and pull the trigger without the seats.

How does the 2S compare to your old GT3?
I had a 3,8L MK II GT3 during last summer - have to say that my 991-50 is very near in terms of longitudinal performance and features even superior handling characteristics. The wide body 991 chassis is brilliant...
 
Old Jan 26, 2014 | 01:35 PM
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I had a 3,8L MK II GT3 during last summer - have to say that my 991-50 is very near in terms of longitudinal performance and features even superior handling characteristics. The wide body 991 chassis is brilliant...
Sorry but what's the -50 mean? I've only ever had turbos and gt3's so never heard of that.
 
Old Jan 26, 2014 | 01:51 PM
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Sorry but what's the -50 mean? I've only ever had turbos and gt3's so never heard of that.
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Old Jan 26, 2014 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Haku
As we know on resale one is always going to take a hit...MT or PDK. The issue is more about the wait till you get the GT3. If you must have something now, as sanibel states, get whichever you like the best. I really don't think it'll matter much whether it's a MT or PDK.

Personally, I'd wait it out and not bother getting anything in the meanwhile. I know its strange but there's something satisfying about the wait and anticipation.
I tend to agree. The resale hit of a new car is a much bigger deal than the impact of resale of the MT. I think a $130k car will lose $20,000k that first year. And the second year for a used is not much better.

But if you must, your GT3 will have PDK. Why not get some practice on someone else's (in 9 months) car?
 

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Old Jan 26, 2014 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by avi8tir
Definitely will be a 2S... Trying to find a good value on a used one considering I'm dumping it when I get my GT3. I haven't spec'd my car out yet because I am holding out for the Sport Buckets to become available. I was number 2 at my dealership so have been passing on allocations. At this point if they aren't available June I'll just go ahead and pull the trigger without the seats.

How does the 2S compare to your old GT3?
I'm just not sure why those seats are not available from the get go. My dealer reckons they will not be on sale in the US at all! Same reason why roll cage is not a factory option I guess.

The 997.2 GT3 was just a terrific car and IMO the last of the unsanitized bunch. Over the years every iteration of the 911 has become more forgiving and whilst previous model changes have been significant, IMO the 991 has been a bigger change than most. I've found the 991 2S to be the most "useable" 911 ever. Comfortable or a screamer whatever you want it to be...a true Jekyll and Hyde performer. I also think that its more important than ever to get your spec absolutely right. PDCC and the dynamic engine mounts (part of the sport chrono pkg) cannot be retrofitted. Those two alone transform the handling characteristics of the 991 significantly and in a saner way emulate my previous GT3 handling. I have had my 991 2S for 15 months and am still enjoying it tremendously. I have to admit that I have not missed my GT3 at all! Its one of the reasons why I let my friend have my dealers 1st 991 GT3 allocation and took the 2nd.

I will be test driving my friends GT3 within the next 2 weeks! I may have some regrets then!

Sorry for the ramble...
 
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I find the entire question from the OP a bit odd. Don't take my post the wrong way, I'm just trying to understand. OP has a Scuderia in the garage, a GT3 on order, and is getting a brand new 991S for 9 months. Supply of money for OP is not at issue (in fact I'm envious!). Taking into account all of the money put into these cars, not to mention the hit on selling the 991S after 9 months regardless of how it's optioned, how does it possibly matter if there is a $3-5K differential in resale for 7MT vs. PDK?
 
Old Jan 26, 2014 | 05:41 PM
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I find the entire question from the OP a bit odd. Don't take my post the wrong way, I'm just trying to understand. OP has a Scuderia in the garage, a GT3 on order, and is getting a brand new 991S for 9 months. Supply of money for OP is not at issue (in fact I'm envious!). Taking into account all of the money put into these cars, not to mention the hit on selling the 991S after 9 months regardless of how it's optioned, how does it possibly matter if there is a $3-5K differential in resale for 7MT vs. PDK?
Im actually looking for a used 991 or a new 2013 that's still on the dealers lot. the question is aimed at the "ease" of selling the car when I need to... the 7MT being unique is great... but that could mean it sitting on the market for 3-4 months until an enthusiast comes along that wants the manual. i would guess 90%+ of buyer would choose PDK over manual these days.
 
Old Jan 26, 2014 | 08:04 PM
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I understand why pdk and why other manumatics are more popular than a MT. They are faster, don't ever miss a shift and perfectly match revs. The real reason is that people that buy these cars are getting lazy. I driven plenty of the manumatics, and always feel like I missed something. If you are going to drive a sports car, then go for the full experience.

What will be next manumatic steering, where you only push a button to make a right turn and the car steers for you.
Understand where you are coming from, but its the future. I couldnt even imagine my Scud with a manual.... the sound and sensation of the gearbox punching through the gears in indescribable.
 
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I understand why pdk and why other manumatics are more popular than a MT. They are faster, don't ever miss a shift and perfectly match revs. The real reason is that people that buy these cars are getting lazy. I driven plenty of the manumatics, and always feel like I missed something. If you are going to drive a sports car, then go for the full experience.

What will be next manumatic steering, where you only push a button to make a right turn and the car steers for you.
So now you in your infinite wisdom know why I bought a PDK?.... because I'm getting lazy! What a load of bollocks!

Blanket statements like that only negate any credibility your comments may have had.
 
Old Jan 26, 2014 | 10:00 PM
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Porsche is always a hard resell. There are just so many on the market. Buy from the dealer who is delivering your GT3 and make him give you a set deal on the trade, with a mileage allowance?
 

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I understand why pdk and why other manumatics are more popular than a MT. They are faster, don't ever miss a shift and perfectly match revs. The real reason is that people that buy these cars are getting lazy. I driven plenty of the manumatics, and always feel like I missed something. If you are going to drive a sports car, then go for the full experience.

What will be next manumatic steering, where you only push a button to make a right turn and the car steers for you.
I can't believe someone actually wrote this ?!
 


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