Steve, Do you race your Cayman or just drive for fun?

 

Yes, I cross shopped these, but was more interested in the M4 vs Cayman GTS. With the advantage the bimmer has in terms of room and utility, I had widen the gap even further and went with the M3 instead.


Beater, daily driver, and super car. Every car has a purpose .

 

My reference point is owning 2 997 S cars over the past 5 years--up until 6 weeks ago. Turn in is not ideal, neither is mid corner speed, and you have to wait what seems forever until you can apply full throttle exiting corners. I also used to blow by them regularly in my Z4M Coupe on the ring. I'm not knocking them. They're great cars and there isn't a more iconic GT on the planet. But let's don't go trying to believe it's impeccable. Still waiting for someone to try to explain why the base 991 is so slow on the ring given 350 hp, the same 991 chassis as the S, and brakes from the 997S which should be up to the task.

 

Since you had a 997S, maybe you should go and post this on the 997 forum instead of the 991 or are you just trying to cause controversy here?

 

That car is my DD and maybe just an interim DD until the Cayman GTS hits the scene. If I still lived in Germany, I would take it to the ring regularly though since it would be a blast there. But after living in Germany, the thought of track days in the US isn't that appealing. Speeds are still depressed from what the car is capable of. I actually think karting is way more fun.

 

Are you serious? My posts are on point with the M4/base 991 discussion. Some of you guys just can't handle unbiased objective thought. God forbid someone blasphemes the iconic 911

 

I will concede the last M I drove was a '10 M3 sedan...I currently have a '13 C2S cab with PDCC, sport chrono, PTV that IMO handles way better than the former...I have not driven the new M4.

 

Perhaps it is the driver? You are using some editor as your wholly Grail. I guarantee you won't catch me in a cayman, no chance. I'm certainly not the best out there, far from it, but if you have the ***** you can get into and out of a corner very well in a 911. The M is way to heavy although well balanced and now finally has some torque but it us not nearly as agile as a base 911 in the right hands.

 

Hi,
Rod Serling here, isn't the C class AMG and the RS4 the actual cars the magazine article should have been comparing to the M4 in the first place. Just saying. :-)

I would not want to sit in the back seat of either of those cars. I could sit in the back but would rather not.

I would not even try to get in the back seat of my car, that is just a place to hike a camera bag over the console and between the front seats. The M4 and 991 are apples and oranges.

 

Where are these times you talk about?
Did Porsche attempt a max effort ring time for the 991 base?

 

So what does the cayman take to make it around the ring? Ive seen the video of the 991 3.4 do it in 7.44. The only time I've seen published for the cayman s is 755. I haven't seen any time faster than 7.44. Where does all this talk of the cayman "destroying" the 991 around the ring lol.

 

They are coming from a fantasy dream Steve997 had when he Turbo charged his Cayman. Maybe he saw those numbers in Car and Driver mag?

 

It's fun to dream, isn't it?

NFW can a 991 base lap that quickly. That's Audi R8 V10 and Porsche 997 Turbo S territory. Both those cars produce over 500 hp. The official base 991 lap time is 8:02. Until there's another professional effort, it stands. Most likely it's there to stay. 7 seconds slower than the Cayman S. What's not to believe about that? The Cayman charges into corners. I'm hoping the Cayman GTS clocks at least a 7:50, which is on par with a 997S.

 

Let's go to Germany and test your theory. For sure you don't have the experience or ***** to keep up with me on the Autobahns, nor twisty B roads. What Americans learn about their own driving skills when they arrive in Germany, is that their skills are about to enter a steep learning curve. What's the top speed you've achieved in your car thus far? Be honest.

 

Steve997S,
I track all my cars, I have had a lot, and a lot of track time over the last 15 years.

You have no idea what you are talking about regarding the 991 chassis. The 991 in fact is fast because of it chassis and stability, not it's motor.

The car is extremely well balanced and you can take such liberties with it that it often amazes me how Porsche got it to work so well.

Is it the best handling car or the quickest....no, but it does everything exceptionally well.

I have no doubt a Cayman is a better handling car, but your assumptions regarding the 991 are no where near the truth. On a side note I think the new Cayman GT4 is going to be the car to have.