Originally Posted by fanporsche

I am having trouble to justify so much extra money for the S model. Now they both have PASM, same engine displacement, basically for bigger brakes and different ECU programing it is a lot of money. What do you think? Am I missing something?.

Originally Posted by stratocaster69

I don't see where you can add the Aero Kit either or just the duckbill for the back. That was on the old site.

Originally Posted by STG991

Not available on the 991.2 They probably will come out with something after the first year as an option. Same as they did with 991.1

Originally Posted by 991carreradriver

I noticed that there is no Sport PASM or Torque Vectoring or the plus version either on the C2.

Frank C.

Originally Posted by STG991

Interesting. They want enough distance between the base and S models.

Originally Posted by 991carreradriver

I have yet to see an "S" crush me on any track, so who knows what they are thinking! I am awaiting my 2016 Black Edition build that should be delivered by mid November. It is built with Sport PASM + PTV+, this should be fun! Frank C.

Originally Posted by STG991

The skills supersede anything else...

Originally Posted by KonaKai

Because having the S at 420 and the Turbo at 520+ is what creates the most optimal profit mix for Porsche (in their expert opinion). Sure, they could give you 450 in the S at minimal cost, but that would start to encroach on the GTS, which would push up and encroach on the Turbo and so forth. That is a slippery slope for Porsche, because if too many guys think the S has more than enough power, they won't be selling as many GTS and Turbos, which have better profit margins (because most of the components are the same across the 911 range).

Originally Posted by tommyboy214

I didn't miss your point at all. It is not a question if Porsche can make more HP for less money, they will not. BMW and a host of other folks offer a lot more Hp for less money. The sports car market has never been more competitive or better. You stated " I am well aware that Porsche makes more powerful cars at higher price points. My point was we should not have to spend $165k to get both power and handling ala 911 turbo S. In my opinion the base 911 should deliver for $90k at the very least what a BMW M3 does at 435hp for $65k, or a Corvette for $55k or even a lowly mustang GT at 435hp for $35k. If indeed Porsche does deliver a base Carrera with twin turbo and 400hp then I will shut up. That will be close enough for me and more than enough for my driving pleasure. 350hp at $90k is just not a good value." I had a Audi S5 years back as a DD. It was probably one of the worst car I have owned. Outside of getting a lemon it was underpowered and a pig. I cut ties with Audi and sold the car. It looked great but was slow. Didn't you dump your 911 a while back? If so why still hang out and worry about it. At 385 Hp and a substantial increase in torque should offer meaningful performance gains. They offer a flavor for everyone you just have to pay. If the 911 doesn't meet your expectations vote with your dollar somewhere else.

Originally Posted by tromero

And how it affect their profit margin if people simply start buying other brands

Originally Posted by tromero

you miss my point. I understand I can spend $150k on a 911 turbo and get 600hp. My point is if BMW can give you 435hp for $65k why can't Porsche give the base 911 at least that much for $90k? Does it cost Porsche more to dial up the turbos a bit more for more power? I think not. So why withhold the cars potential ?

Originally Posted by tromero

And how it affect their profit margin if people simply start buying other brands

Originally Posted by flyanddive

Yeah, my current Porsche will be my last unless they go back to the NA engine. If they are going to charge $80k for an engine tweak, and call it a Turbo, I'm out. The ripoff now is pretty blatant. I understand government regulations are causing this, but handicapping cars to nickle and dime the customer is not right.