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T is for tantalizing
So the Carrera T is a bit like a Jr. GT3 in that 1) the special wheels lend themselves to bright colors - yellow or Miami blue; 2) You can get the 918 carbon bucket seats which just look the business; and the interior package to match the exterior paint is sweet.
The 911 keeps getting more civilized - essentially less special. 997.1 = great sounding engine, 997.2 DFI engine = not as good a sound. The upright in-your-face windscreen of the 997 is 100% classic 911. The 991 feels like a Caddy by comparison. The windscreen is raked like a conventional sports car and the dash is so much farther away. The seats are also much farther apart. Then comes the 991.2 turbos that zap the bass of the exhaust. The sport exhaust on the 991.1 is wicked. Not so much on the .2
So getting back to the T, its a way to spruce up the base car and make it more special without crossing the $150k line. I don't think it will be a collectible as Porsche is making too many 991s. But it might be the last version of the 911 from an all petrol lineup. I'll be amazed if Porsche offer a hybrid 911 with a clutch pedal...
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The 911 keeps getting more civilized - essentially less special. 997.1 = great sounding engine, 997.2 DFI engine = not as good a sound. The upright in-your-face windscreen of the 997 is 100% classic 911. The 991 feels like a Caddy by comparison. The windscreen is raked like a conventional sports car and the dash is so much farther away. The seats are also much farther apart. Then comes the 991.2 turbos that zap the bass of the exhaust. The sport exhaust on the 991.1 is wicked. Not so much on the .2
So getting back to the T, its a way to spruce up the base car and make it more special without crossing the $150k line. I don't think it will be a collectible as Porsche is making too many 991s. But it might be the last version of the 911 from an all petrol lineup. I'll be amazed if Porsche offer a hybrid 911 with a clutch pedal...
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Long time, Doc.
With all due respect (and nothing against your argument), I fail to understand the marketing and appeal behind the T. The entire premise of their marketing agenda is the "lightweight" nature of the car, but we've read time and time again that it weighs something like 11 or 12 pounds less than a standard coupe.
Why, then, would the T be something that's sought after as being so special and collectible? IMO this is a similar car to the Carrera Black Edition from the 991.1; it has some unique features and colors, but nothing GT3-esque about it.
What's your counter? I'm curious about the T and it's appeal.
With all due respect (and nothing against your argument), I fail to understand the marketing and appeal behind the T. The entire premise of their marketing agenda is the "lightweight" nature of the car, but we've read time and time again that it weighs something like 11 or 12 pounds less than a standard coupe.
Why, then, would the T be something that's sought after as being so special and collectible? IMO this is a similar car to the Carrera Black Edition from the 991.1; it has some unique features and colors, but nothing GT3-esque about it.
What's your counter? I'm curious about the T and it's appeal.
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Long time, Doc.
With all due respect (and nothing against your argument), I fail to understand the marketing and appeal behind the T. The entire premise of their marketing agenda is the "lightweight" nature of the car, but we've read time and time again that it weighs something like 11 or 12 pounds less than a standard coupe.
Why, then, would the T be something that's sought after as being so special and collectible? IMO this is a similar car to the Carrera Black Edition from the 991.1; it has some unique features and colors, but nothing GT3-esque about it.
What's your counter? I'm curious about the T and it's appeal.
With all due respect (and nothing against your argument), I fail to understand the marketing and appeal behind the T. The entire premise of their marketing agenda is the "lightweight" nature of the car, but we've read time and time again that it weighs something like 11 or 12 pounds less than a standard coupe.
Why, then, would the T be something that's sought after as being so special and collectible? IMO this is a similar car to the Carrera Black Edition from the 991.1; it has some unique features and colors, but nothing GT3-esque about it.
What's your counter? I'm curious about the T and it's appeal.
Just glad porsche is offering more analog cars.....
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I'm not sure that the T will be collectable but it is a stand-out model as compared to others in the Carrera line. It's not a sticker special nor can it be compared other previous "editions" like the Black Editions. Those were more of a joke IMHO.
The T may not be a baby GT3 but it will feel different from a standard C2 and will depreciate less than a C2/C2S. Of course I have one on order, so I'm slightly biased
The T may not be a baby GT3 but it will feel different from a standard C2 and will depreciate less than a C2/C2S. Of course I have one on order, so I'm slightly biased
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Lsd, ptv, short throw shifter, shorter gearing, spasm, rear axle steering, reduced sound deadedning, cool glass, special interior + most fun motor.
it adds up to a chassis that is elevated and a unique driving experience if you ask me.
it adds up to a chassis that is elevated and a unique driving experience if you ask me.
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Long time, Doc.
With all due respect (and nothing against your argument), I fail to understand the marketing and appeal behind the T. The entire premise of their marketing agenda is the "lightweight" nature of the car, but we've read time and time again that it weighs something like 11 or 12 pounds less than a standard coupe.
Why, then, would the T be something that's sought after as being so special and collectible? IMO this is a similar car to the Carrera Black Edition from the 991.1; it has some unique features and colors, but nothing GT3-esque about it.
What's your counter? I'm curious about the T and it's appeal.
With all due respect (and nothing against your argument), I fail to understand the marketing and appeal behind the T. The entire premise of their marketing agenda is the "lightweight" nature of the car, but we've read time and time again that it weighs something like 11 or 12 pounds less than a standard coupe.
Why, then, would the T be something that's sought after as being so special and collectible? IMO this is a similar car to the Carrera Black Edition from the 991.1; it has some unique features and colors, but nothing GT3-esque about it.
What's your counter? I'm curious about the T and it's appeal.
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MY2 cents
I'll take a stab at it...
Buyers and would-be collectors love limited edition models (some of which are a total waste such as the black edition).
I think the one thing that makes the T unique among limited editions and thus desirable, is that you can get a few choice goodies on the T that are otherwise unavailable on the base Carrera like carbon bucket seats and carbon brakes etc...
Here's where my opinion may deviate from others...The base car is arguably more of a pure "911" than the S with the 991.2. That is because with the turbos, the base car is no longer torque starved around town. The base 991.1 was a pussycat up to 4k rpms, then it started to sing. But the base 991.2 has loads of torque and offers all the power anyone needs on the road. I participate in HPDE and I'd guess (confidently) that the vast, vast majority of base 991.2 owners cannot extrapolate beyond 90% capacity from their cars on road or track (and less so for the S owners). An additional consideration on this generation is that the S suffers noticeable turbo lag that the base car doesn't have. So the base is a bit of sweetheart. Lastly, I think the most significant mechanical upgrade to the T is the use of the S's final drive. Its a German hot rodding trick older than time. Porsche likely uses it on the S so that a test drive in the two cars back-to-back will be distinguishable - because on the power numbers alone its hard to differentiate - I've driven a few generations of base and S cars back to back and its always the suspension, not the power, that separates them from the driver's seat (until 991.2 with standard PASM on both )
Now back to the T. You get to put all the top shelf goodies on what some feel is the purest expression of the concept. Viola. It's not about weight savings.
That's my best pitch
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Buyers and would-be collectors love limited edition models (some of which are a total waste such as the black edition).
I think the one thing that makes the T unique among limited editions and thus desirable, is that you can get a few choice goodies on the T that are otherwise unavailable on the base Carrera like carbon bucket seats and carbon brakes etc...
Here's where my opinion may deviate from others...The base car is arguably more of a pure "911" than the S with the 991.2. That is because with the turbos, the base car is no longer torque starved around town. The base 991.1 was a pussycat up to 4k rpms, then it started to sing. But the base 991.2 has loads of torque and offers all the power anyone needs on the road. I participate in HPDE and I'd guess (confidently) that the vast, vast majority of base 991.2 owners cannot extrapolate beyond 90% capacity from their cars on road or track (and less so for the S owners). An additional consideration on this generation is that the S suffers noticeable turbo lag that the base car doesn't have. So the base is a bit of sweetheart. Lastly, I think the most significant mechanical upgrade to the T is the use of the S's final drive. Its a German hot rodding trick older than time. Porsche likely uses it on the S so that a test drive in the two cars back-to-back will be distinguishable - because on the power numbers alone its hard to differentiate - I've driven a few generations of base and S cars back to back and its always the suspension, not the power, that separates them from the driver's seat (until 991.2 with standard PASM on both
)Now back to the T. You get to put all the top shelf goodies on what some feel is the purest expression of the concept. Viola. It's not about weight savings.
That's my best pitch
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I'll take a stab at it...
Buyers and would-be collectors love limited edition models (some of which are a total waste such as the black edition).
I think the one thing that makes the T unique among limited editions and thus desirable, is that you can get a few choice goodies on the T that are otherwise unavailable on the base Carrera like carbon bucket seats and carbon brakes etc...
Here's where my opinion may deviate from others...The base car is arguably more of a pure "911" than the S with the 991.2. That is because with the turbos, the base car is no longer torque starved around town. The base 991.1 was a pussycat up to 4k rpms, then it started to sing. But the base 991.2 has loads of torque and offers all the power anyone needs on the road. I participate in HPDE and I'd guess (confidently) that the vast, vast majority of base 991.2 owners cannot extrapolate beyond 90% capacity from their cars on road or track (and less so for the S owners). An additional consideration on this generation is that the S suffers noticeable turbo lag that the base car doesn't have. So the base is a bit of sweetheart. Lastly, I think the most significant mechanical upgrade to the T is the use of the S's final drive. Its a German hot rodding trick older than time. Porsche likely uses it on the S so that a test drive in the two cars back-to-back will be distinguishable - because on the power numbers alone its hard to differentiate - I've driven a few generations of base and S cars back to back and its always the suspension, not the power, that separates them from the driver's seat (until 991.2 with standard PASM on both )
Now back to the T. You get to put all the top shelf goodies on what some feel is the purest expression of the concept. Viola. It's not about weight savings.
That's my best pitch
DRP
Buyers and would-be collectors love limited edition models (some of which are a total waste such as the black edition).
I think the one thing that makes the T unique among limited editions and thus desirable, is that you can get a few choice goodies on the T that are otherwise unavailable on the base Carrera like carbon bucket seats and carbon brakes etc...
Here's where my opinion may deviate from others...The base car is arguably more of a pure "911" than the S with the 991.2. That is because with the turbos, the base car is no longer torque starved around town. The base 991.1 was a pussycat up to 4k rpms, then it started to sing. But the base 991.2 has loads of torque and offers all the power anyone needs on the road. I participate in HPDE and I'd guess (confidently) that the vast, vast majority of base 991.2 owners cannot extrapolate beyond 90% capacity from their cars on road or track (and less so for the S owners). An additional consideration on this generation is that the S suffers noticeable turbo lag that the base car doesn't have. So the base is a bit of sweetheart. Lastly, I think the most significant mechanical upgrade to the T is the use of the S's final drive. Its a German hot rodding trick older than time. Porsche likely uses it on the S so that a test drive in the two cars back-to-back will be distinguishable - because on the power numbers alone its hard to differentiate - I've driven a few generations of base and S cars back to back and its always the suspension, not the power, that separates them from the driver's seat (until 991.2 with standard PASM on both
)Now back to the T. You get to put all the top shelf goodies on what some feel is the purest expression of the concept. Viola. It's not about weight savings.
That's my best pitch
DRP
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