996 Turbo / GT2 Turbo discussion on previous model 2000-2005 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo and 911 GT2.

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Old Oct 14, 2007 | 10:36 AM
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how different this forum is....

i have been on various forums for a long time as i've owned a 951, 968, 964, 993 and now a 996TT. there is one thing that really stands out in this forum as compared to every other.

This Forum has lots of talk about drag racing, 100km-200km times, 1/4 mile, 60ft..... lots on quick launches

Every other forum focuses much more on road racing, handling and road track times..... lots on becoming a better driver

I suppose that's because our cars are monster power cars as compared to NA porsche's. But i'm surprised that more people here don't have more on road racing. It seems to me that the 996TT should be a great road racing car once you learn how to handle the non-linear power.

I'd like to hear a lot about how to properly road race this car and how drivers deal with the non-linear power....

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There's plenty of both on here. Do a search.

As far as this forum having lots of straight-line stuff, I think it's a good thing. As you already said; every other Porsche forum out there focuses more on road-racing stuff...so you can read up on that anytime you want. This forum caters to the growing niche of big-power, straight-line P-cars that's mostly ignored by the other forums.

It's also the most popular and active 996TT forum on the internet; so we must be doing something right.
 

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Old Oct 14, 2007 | 11:05 AM
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btw, this is a great forum. my intent was not to belittle the straight line racing crowd, just more to point out an interesting observation. there is a great wealth of information here and as you pointed out, this is the most popular 996TT forum out there. so it was never to say or imply that something is wrong or should be changed. just an observation and to ask if some could comment on properly road racing the car.
 
Old Oct 14, 2007 | 11:51 AM
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Yes this forum is mostly about "cool" wheels/spoilers and straight-line performance...There should be more other stuff too.

Some quick track driving tips:

996TT is a great car at the track...okay it has too much weight but with a proper driver it is bloody fast

Power: The non linear power is not a problem, use normal heel-toe downshifts and you do fine. With K16 turbos keep it over 3k and it's nice to drive.

Brakes: Use good racing brake pads like Pagid Yellows or Performance Friction and using a racing fluid from Motul or Castrol.

Handling: More negative camber to the front so there's less understeer.

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thank you for the insight and previous posts. very insightful.

quick question, you mentioned more neg. camber in the front. that's contrary to what i was thinking. can you describe that a bit more and perhaps share the neg. camber degrees you recommend.

thanks kindly.

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Boris good post.

There are a lot of us track junkies out here. We are a little quiet. As for me me I sort of read some of the threads i think are interesting but i can't get to excited about the drag racing any more... been there and done that a long time ago.

I also am not saying there is any thing wrong with it but I think alot of the people doing it have not experienced track work. The skills you learn are much more complex than a good launch and the ability to drive these cars they they went ment to be driven is very rewarding.

I have a fair amount of seat time and it never gets boring. In fact a 25min session of drivers ED drains me .Your adrenelinen is roaring the whole time and most of the time you are so focused on what is going around you .
I can't even look at my speedo!

Don't get me wrong I have " Drag raced" down the staight away .and people first ask How fast do you go? I'm not sure I always say any body can do that just plant your go foot, that part is easy in these modern powerful cars. The real skill is feeling the dynamics of braking and turning in on line while carrying momentem.You truly become connected to your machine.

I urge some of you straight liners to give it a try it . If you think you love your car now....... just wait. It is the most fun you can have with your clothes on !

Just my opinion

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Ditto that Elliot.
 
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I must say i have noticed this as well,i only really enjoy driving fast when there are corners involved but then again i don't have the crazy horsepower cars of some of the members on this forum,so to me straight line acceleration is ho-hum!
Maybe that will change a bit if i extract some more power out of my cars or get some quicker ones!
 
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thanks guys. i really didn't mean that there is anything wrong with this forum. I really enjoy reading through the posts and learning a lot about my new car. With that said going fast in a straight line is fun, but the pcar die hard in me loves the corners!!! That's what really puts a smile on my face.

While this wasn't the intent of this thread i couldn't help feeling like some think that i was proposing that road racing is superior to drag racing. I do not look down or up at road racing. It is simply different. It is like comparing swiming to scuba diving. Both are fun & they are just different.

With all that said, i remember reading this joke. DISCLAIMER: THE OPINIONS IN THIS JOKE ARE NOT MINE, NOR DO I SUBSCRIBE TO THEM BUT IT IS REALLY REALLY FUNNY!!!

I take the joke in this light. If you compare yourself to anyone else you'll surely find someone faster and slower than yourself. So don't compare.

http://www.devtools.org/rus/mtimages...d_of_speed.htm
 
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I'd love to get to the track. But I think the cost are a little of my budget for the moment. With tires being as expensive as they are, rotors, brake pads and fluid, race gas, and the cost for the course or track, and its not something i can do as often. I hope to find a cheaper solution soon.
 
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Yeah these cars are made for corners...Track driving and racing is so fun and addictive...

Firstly I would suggest good teachers (people with own racing and instruction experience) to anyone... including me too of course

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thank you for the insight and previous posts. very insightful.

quick question, you mentioned more neg. camber in the front. that's contrary to what i was thinking. can you describe that a bit more and perhaps share the neg. camber degrees you recommend.

thanks kindly.

Boris
Just google: "negative camber"

With stock suspension (or similar) it's the easiest way to reduce understeer. With it you can put it to somewhere like -1.5 degrees.

Adding this negative camber isn't that crucial, first people should just get enough days under their belt that they feel they know how the car behaves under different situations...Drive the corners in "slow in, fast out" approach and you do fine.

TXGold, trade your TT to C2 if you think so! That's your cheaper solution and also as much fun when you're passing 90% of the TT's at the track You should never buy so expensive car that track driving with its costs is out of the budget... and btw. absolutely NO need for race gas...
 
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Interesting thread Fly- make people think! A point that is probably only obvious for long time 6speed readers-- there have been a lot of claims about HP/performance etc that has had commercial connotations with those seeking to take large amounts of money off customers for what we know know to be questionable gains. As the 996 Turbo's are relatively knew the knowledge gained from the questioning -- and exposure to questions on a wide scale-- for all to see has been hugely helpfull to many.Real measures of comparative performance eg 1/4 times,trap speeds,60-130,0-300, mile times , the questioning of dyno numbers, etc etc has seen a lot less unsubstantiated claims made. That is why I think you are reading what you see this year. The character of the posts at different stages of the Turbo's life by each year is different.Even the same people that talk and contribute to threads on 1/4's may never do one themselves- but want to understand the mechanics of how to etc.
 
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I'm a trackie, luv it!

And when someone says "can we go to the track" it means track, not a strip! lol
 


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