Wait until Switzer posts the first 60-130 run he made....
Boost was turned down on the 5.2 run, so wasn't making near 800.
Mark, if your 996 is .2/.3 faster on a 1 shift run, why just post your 2 shift time?
Not sure why you continue to post backhanded compliments anytime SPI's standalone or performance accomplishments are mentioned. Obviously Tym did what you kept telling everyone couldn't be done, so perhaps that has something to do with it. You have never spoken to Tym, nor know much about this set-up except for what Tym tells Todd. But regardless, I'm sure the customer appreciates your tuning/rod tips.
There were plenty of your type of posts years ago with the 4g and 2j developments whenever someone stretched what others did. Now they are both a mature enough market that these types of posts died.
So let's just congratulate an incredible accomplishment and new tuning/performance shop option for the community. We all benefit!
Mark, if your 996 is .2/.3 faster on a 1 shift run, why just post your 2 shift time?
Not sure why you continue to post backhanded compliments anytime SPI's standalone or performance accomplishments are mentioned. Obviously Tym did what you kept telling everyone couldn't be done, so perhaps that has something to do with it. You have never spoken to Tym, nor know much about this set-up except for what Tym tells Todd. But regardless, I'm sure the customer appreciates your tuning/rod tips.
There were plenty of your type of posts years ago with the 4g and 2j developments whenever someone stretched what others did. Now they are both a mature enough market that these types of posts died.
So let's just congratulate an incredible accomplishment and new tuning/performance shop option for the community. We all benefit!
I do think that taking a customer's car and running 800rwhp on a stock motor is a ticking bomb.. and I said that already on another thread.. and if you or Tym think I'm bashing for that then your mistaken. I think it's dangerous...
This is my opinion... that's all... I wonder what Tym thinks... after all he is the programmer.
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you must have misunderstood me... since he is 3rd on the list and the two cars above him are 2 shift cars(996TTs) both with a tad over 800rwhp then the 5.21 makes sense... I only added another imaginary shift to show that it would be a 5.4 lets say and in line with current outstanding cars... I was not taking away anything...
I do think that taking a customer's car and running 800rwhp on a stock motor is a ticking bomb.. and I said that already on another thread.. and if you or Tym think I'm bashing for that then your mistaken. I think it's dangerous...
This is my opinion... that's all... I wonder what Tym thinks... after all he is the programmer.
mark
I do think that taking a customer's car and running 800rwhp on a stock motor is a ticking bomb.. and I said that already on another thread.. and if you or Tym think I'm bashing for that then your mistaken. I think it's dangerous...
This is my opinion... that's all... I wonder what Tym thinks... after all he is the programmer.
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you must have misunderstood me... since he is 3rd on the list and the two cars above him are 2 shift cars(996TTs) both with a tad over 800rwhp then the 5.21 makes sense... I only added another imaginary shift to show that it would be a 5.4 lets say and in line with current outstanding cars... I was not taking away anything...
I do think that taking a customer's car and running 800rwhp on a stock motor is a ticking bomb.. and I said that already on another thread.. and if you or Tym think I'm bashing for that then your mistaken. I think it's dangerous...
This is my opinion... that's all... I wonder what Tym thinks... after all he is the programmer.
mark
I do think that taking a customer's car and running 800rwhp on a stock motor is a ticking bomb.. and I said that already on another thread.. and if you or Tym think I'm bashing for that then your mistaken. I think it's dangerous...
This is my opinion... that's all... I wonder what Tym thinks... after all he is the programmer.
mark
Mark has seen alot of hype come and go so it is understandable that he is a tad bit learious of these numbers. I for one do not doubt them because the car DME was done by Todd K. Additionally I am glad to see other options sneeak into our community especially with the blessings of Todd, this is a nice security blanket. But I think it is unfair to compare your car with the new 997 motor, they are very different. The 997tt’s have the variocam stuff in them, like what I have done on my car with the gt3 cam synchs. They also have nicer manifolding etc. The stock 997tt engine is pretty close to what Protomotive has been doing on the hotrod 996tt’s, STOCK. So, it takes very well to mods.
[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif'] The white protomotive 997 car made the same power as your old gt2 at only 18psi or so. Switzer ran their car to 22psi. Turbos typically make 25hp/psi of boost, so 22psi-18psi=4psi difference, or 4psi x 25hp/psi = 100hp. Hence, the Protomotive 997 turbo car at 22psi would be right on board. Everyone that has a car built or tune by Todd knows he does not like to run high boost and that is probably the reason he never pushed the envelop on a customers car? Once again I give accolades to Tym however if you are going to make comparisons, I think they should be between 997 turbos.[/FONT]
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Mark has seen alot of hype come and go so it is understandable that he is a tad bit learious of these numbers. I for one do not doubt them because the car DME was done by Todd K. Additionally I am glad to see other options sneeak into our community especially with the blessings of Todd, this is a nice security blanket. But I think it is unfair to compare your car with the new 997 motor, they are very different. The 997tt’s have the variocam stuff in them, like what I have done on my car with the gt3 cam synchs. They also have nicer manifolding etc. The stock 997tt engine is pretty close to what Protomotive has been doing on the hotrod 996tt’s, STOCK. So, it takes very well to mods.
[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif'] The white protomotive 997 car made the same power as your old gt2 at only 18psi or so. Switzer ran their car to 22psi. Turbos typically make 25hp/psi of boost, so 22psi-18psi=4psi difference, or 4psi x 25hp/psi = 100hp. Hence, the Protomotive 997 turbo car at 22psi would be right on board. Everyone that has a car built or tune by Todd knows he does not like to run high boost and that is probably the reason he never pushed the envelop on a customers car? Once again I give accolades to Tym however if you are going to make comparisons, I think they should be between 997 turbos.[/font]
[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']Have a boosted day, Robert[/font]
Mark has seen alot of hype come and go so it is understandable that he is a tad bit learious of these numbers. I for one do not doubt them because the car DME was done by Todd K. Additionally I am glad to see other options sneeak into our community especially with the blessings of Todd, this is a nice security blanket. But I think it is unfair to compare your car with the new 997 motor, they are very different. The 997tt’s have the variocam stuff in them, like what I have done on my car with the gt3 cam synchs. They also have nicer manifolding etc. The stock 997tt engine is pretty close to what Protomotive has been doing on the hotrod 996tt’s, STOCK. So, it takes very well to mods.
[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif'] The white protomotive 997 car made the same power as your old gt2 at only 18psi or so. Switzer ran their car to 22psi. Turbos typically make 25hp/psi of boost, so 22psi-18psi=4psi difference, or 4psi x 25hp/psi = 100hp. Hence, the Protomotive 997 turbo car at 22psi would be right on board. Everyone that has a car built or tune by Todd knows he does not like to run high boost and that is probably the reason he never pushed the envelop on a customers car? Once again I give accolades to Tym however if you are going to make comparisons, I think they should be between 997 turbos.[/font]
[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']Have a boosted day, Robert[/font]
Let's wait until the 996 numbers are posted...then we can address your post more specifically.
RoB and Jamie,
I am not speculating or questioning the numbers... at all... heck with rods lets say it still would do 800 rwhp... like it should....
I only said that that was dangerous... and DK already fully explained the situation... I was hoping for that... thats it...
I like what is coming out of the shop... I really mean it. My only question is/was that while some are showing the new product... at the same time time they are questioning the stock ECU. All of a sudden is seems "not as good" as the SPI ecu. Yet only 2 cars have the ecu... Im sure Todd and Tym know more about them then all of us put together... so maybe we should leave the technical and or " what's better" to the pros that actually do this.... and not guys like us...
What is astonishing, and I this this is the bigger picture, that the SPI ecu is showing incredible signs... being that it is "alone" or not I don't think is the issue either. But let's all be fair and not bash others for trying to piggyback systems like Vishnu for example a year ago... but rather openly discuss the set up and tell it how it is as the progress continues. There is a stock ECU in there from what I gather. Therefore, it really is not a "stand alone" in the ideal sense of the word... I'm sorry for pissing some guys off, I have nothing to gain form arguing.... except make enemies... And if I was in the Switzer camp i probably would be doing the same thing... promoting what seems to be a break thru in the tuning... but let the product speak for itself rather then negate the status quo...
that is just my honest non hatred opinion.
mark
I am not speculating or questioning the numbers... at all... heck with rods lets say it still would do 800 rwhp... like it should....
I only said that that was dangerous... and DK already fully explained the situation... I was hoping for that... thats it...
I like what is coming out of the shop... I really mean it. My only question is/was that while some are showing the new product... at the same time time they are questioning the stock ECU. All of a sudden is seems "not as good" as the SPI ecu. Yet only 2 cars have the ecu... Im sure Todd and Tym know more about them then all of us put together... so maybe we should leave the technical and or " what's better" to the pros that actually do this.... and not guys like us...
What is astonishing, and I this this is the bigger picture, that the SPI ecu is showing incredible signs... being that it is "alone" or not I don't think is the issue either. But let's all be fair and not bash others for trying to piggyback systems like Vishnu for example a year ago... but rather openly discuss the set up and tell it how it is as the progress continues. There is a stock ECU in there from what I gather. Therefore, it really is not a "stand alone" in the ideal sense of the word... I'm sorry for pissing some guys off, I have nothing to gain form arguing.... except make enemies... And if I was in the Switzer camp i probably would be doing the same thing... promoting what seems to be a break thru in the tuning... but let the product speak for itself rather then negate the status quo...
that is just my honest non hatred opinion.
mark
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The bare fact is the problem with making big power on the stock ecu is being able to drive large enough injectors. The standalone Switzer has can do just that. Stock Ecu will drive like **** and will take forever to correctly tune each car with lets say 1200cc injectors. Switzer is making big power with the 997tt for that reason. After hours on the phone with him today this is the man that will take my car to the next level without a doubt.
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Tuning can be the defining difference between a motor staying together and not. I feel this 997tt will not only stay sharp at 800rwhp but could push even more. TQ blows these motors not peak HP. my IMO
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Tuning can be the defining difference between a motor staying together and not. I feel this 997tt will not only stay sharp at 800rwhp but could push even more. TQ blows these motors not peak HP. my IMO
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I must disagree with you. My car drives great without any issues. Thus far I have over 3000 miles on the motor since its build and it is running great. I have not changed the plugs, nor do I have any leaks of any kind or thrown any codes. For the record, I just passed the emissions test here in Texas because my cars inspection sticker was out! The only thing that this cars requires are tires, I have already purchased two pairs of Hoosiers R6 and some Conti for the rear. As far as the Tym Stand Alone, it sounds promising and once some more people have it and have proven its reliability as well as its usefullnes, I might use it for some add ons! But at this moment it seems like the Tym's unit and the Protomotive MAF delivers the same performance? I guess the only way to find out is to have DK and Mr T's white 997 be dynoed together at the same boost levels... but that is to much ask of anyone who is trying to have fun in there new toys. So the point is probably mute but I am excited to see what the future unfolds for this standalone.
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I must disagree with you. My car drives great without any issues. Thus far I have over 3000 miles on the motor since its build and it is running great. I have not changed the plugs, nor do I have any leaks of any kind or thrown any codes. For the record, I just passed the emissions test here in Texas because my cars inspection sticker was out! The only thing that this cars requires are tires, I have already purchased two pairs of Hoosiers R6 and some Conti for the rear. As far as the Tym Stand Alone, it sounds promising and once some more people have it and have proven its reliability as well as its usefullnes, I might use it for some add ons! But at this moment it seems like the Tym's unit and the Protomotive MAF delivers the same performance? I guess the only way to find out is to have DK and Mr T's white 997 be dynoed together at the same boost levels... but that is to much ask of anyone who is trying to have fun in there new toys. So the point is probably mute but I am excited to see what the future unfolds for this standalone.
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RoB and Jamie,
I am not speculating or questioning the numbers... at all... heck with rods lets say it still would do 800 rwhp... like it should....
I only said that that was dangerous... and DK already fully explained the situation... I was hoping for that... thats it...
I like what is coming out of the shop... I really mean it. My only question is/was that while some are showing the new product... at the same time time they are questioning the stock ECU. All of a sudden is seems "not as good" as the SPI ecu. Yet only 2 cars have the ecu... Im sure Todd and Tym know more about them then all of us put together... so maybe we should leave the technical and or " what's better" to the pros that actually do this.... and not guys like us...
What is astonishing, and I this this is the bigger picture, that the SPI ecu is showing incredible signs... being that it is "alone" or not I don't think is the issue either. But let's all be fair and not bash others for trying to piggyback systems like Vishnu for example a year ago... but rather openly discuss the set up and tell it how it is as the progress continues. There is a stock ECU in there from what I gather. Therefore, it really is not a "stand alone" in the ideal sense of the word... I'm sorry for pissing some guys off, I have nothing to gain form arguing.... except make enemies... And if I was in the Switzer camp i probably would be doing the same thing... promoting what seems to be a break thru in the tuning... but let the product speak for itself rather then negate the status quo...
that is just my honest non hatred opinion.
mark
I am not speculating or questioning the numbers... at all... heck with rods lets say it still would do 800 rwhp... like it should....
I only said that that was dangerous... and DK already fully explained the situation... I was hoping for that... thats it...
I like what is coming out of the shop... I really mean it. My only question is/was that while some are showing the new product... at the same time time they are questioning the stock ECU. All of a sudden is seems "not as good" as the SPI ecu. Yet only 2 cars have the ecu... Im sure Todd and Tym know more about them then all of us put together... so maybe we should leave the technical and or " what's better" to the pros that actually do this.... and not guys like us...
What is astonishing, and I this this is the bigger picture, that the SPI ecu is showing incredible signs... being that it is "alone" or not I don't think is the issue either. But let's all be fair and not bash others for trying to piggyback systems like Vishnu for example a year ago... but rather openly discuss the set up and tell it how it is as the progress continues. There is a stock ECU in there from what I gather. Therefore, it really is not a "stand alone" in the ideal sense of the word... I'm sorry for pissing some guys off, I have nothing to gain form arguing.... except make enemies... And if I was in the Switzer camp i probably would be doing the same thing... promoting what seems to be a break thru in the tuning... but let the product speak for itself rather then negate the status quo...
that is just my honest non hatred opinion.
mark
For the third time, this is not a piggyback. The standalone is driving the stock ECU, not the other way around. It's a HUGE difference and an incredible technical breakthrough for the Porsche market. No one is bashing stock ECU flashes....but OEM ECU's will also not provide the flexibility nor the control many customers want at these hp levels.
BTW, your 'camps' comment is the real issue here....I don't have a horse in this race
