6 speed vs tiptronic
My original reasoning for a tip was that I was gonna build a 700+ HP car. At these power levels I don't want to miss a gear in a 6 spd. At these power levels I also want the consistent shifts with constant boost between shifts. Plus I was just tired of shifting!.
Obviously the tip doesn't hold these power levels without $5-8000 build, but the 6 requires some beef too! At least the $4k for clutch number 1.
Been arguing the built tiptronic is faster and consistently so in straight line for a while now. Even the cost is approximately the same in the grand scheme of Porsche modding! A modded tip has at most $2-3000 more up front cost than the bad *** clutches. But if you miss second gear a few times ur in it for $10k. The consistently safe and faster shifts with constant boost seem well worth the cost. While I agree it's not as fun as the 6 it has it's benefits.
Don't let dr jitsu see this! He will never let us get away with such Porsche blasphemy!
Obviously the tip doesn't hold these power levels without $5-8000 build, but the 6 requires some beef too! At least the $4k for clutch number 1.
Been arguing the built tiptronic is faster and consistently so in straight line for a while now. Even the cost is approximately the same in the grand scheme of Porsche modding! A modded tip has at most $2-3000 more up front cost than the bad *** clutches. But if you miss second gear a few times ur in it for $10k. The consistently safe and faster shifts with constant boost seem well worth the cost. While I agree it's not as fun as the 6 it has it's benefits.
Don't let dr jitsu see this! He will never let us get away with such Porsche blasphemy!
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3.61 - Emre@ESMotor /997TT AWD TIP
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Well I've been looking for a manual for the longest and can't seem to find a nice one for the price i'm looking for but today out of bordem I drove a TIP with full service records Clean Carfax , Clean Title and alot of miles but also killer price and I have to say its not bad at all. Still looking though although I'm considering the TIP I drove today. I remember a few of the stock 6-speed Turbos I drove had a crappy shifter **** that felt hollow and delicate like a cheap video game control it threw me off at first. I'd hope and aftermarket shifter would fix that.
Uh....well..... the first one....is this seriously ur rebuttle?? Don't give me the 996/997 crap either. It's nearly the same transmission, and a built 996 tip is just as durable as a built 997 tip and is the same price. The computer is the main significant difference. So u have proved my point and I should stop here.
You have to compare apples to apples professor! 500 Hp to 500 Hp, 600 to
600, 700 to 700 and so on. You can't compare a 1000hp 6 spd to a factory tiptronic like you have in the past.
Likewise and most significant, just because there are not many examples of high HP tips doesn't mean it's not a practical high power option. Just few have done it. Most people choose a 6spd so there are a larger number proportionately. Just guessing but I bet for every 10 high power 6spds there is 1 built tip. So the fact that there are a handful in the top 20 is saying a lot!
The higher the HP/TQ application gets the more efficient an automatic transmission becomes. You just can't get around that fact. John Force and most any dragster uses an automatic transmission.
The problem is that the stock tiptronic is VERY weak indeed as is the stock 6spd clutch! But once the tip it is built, there are NO reports of subsequent failures, and as you have shown yourself they are top contenders for speed.
You have to compare apples to apples professor! 500 Hp to 500 Hp, 600 to
600, 700 to 700 and so on. You can't compare a 1000hp 6 spd to a factory tiptronic like you have in the past.
Likewise and most significant, just because there are not many examples of high HP tips doesn't mean it's not a practical high power option. Just few have done it. Most people choose a 6spd so there are a larger number proportionately. Just guessing but I bet for every 10 high power 6spds there is 1 built tip. So the fact that there are a handful in the top 20 is saying a lot!
The higher the HP/TQ application gets the more efficient an automatic transmission becomes. You just can't get around that fact. John Force and most any dragster uses an automatic transmission.
The problem is that the stock tiptronic is VERY weak indeed as is the stock 6spd clutch! But once the tip it is built, there are NO reports of subsequent failures, and as you have shown yourself they are top contenders for speed.
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I drive a 997.1TT tip. It's hard enough finding a 2007-2009 TT in the desired color combo and options. I snagged an arctic silver TT, fully loaded with PCCB and pulled the trigger. I miss the manual tranny sometimes but am grateful for the tip other times, specially in traffic. The tip is a great tranny but nowhere close to the DCT I had in my e92 m3. Will be playing with it at the track in Oct, can't wait!
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Here here. Love the quick first to second power slide of the tip on a left turn at a light ... Or the second to first downshift rocket launch at a light after you realize someone is racing you... Among other things.
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I drive a 997.1TT tip. It's hard enough finding a 2007-2009 TT in the desired color combo and options. I snagged an arctic silver TT, fully loaded with PCCB and pulled the trigger. I miss the manual tranny sometimes but am grateful for the tip other times, specially in traffic. The tip is a great tranny but nowhere close to the DCT I had in my e92 m3. Will be playing with it at the track in Oct, can't wait!
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I see that you are so deeply immersed in a fantasy world that there really is nothing I can say. If tip builds were cheaper and better, would they be in the upper echelon of fast cars?
Sociologists will tell you that human beings naturally exhibit something called cognitive dissonance. In your case it goes like this: "I bought a tip I am a smart guy, therefore tips must be good for high power applications."
The realty is that tips on a 996 are a poor choice for high power applications.
Sociologists will tell you that human beings naturally exhibit something called cognitive dissonance. In your case it goes like this: "I bought a tip I am a smart guy, therefore tips must be good for high power applications."
The realty is that tips on a 996 are a poor choice for high power applications.
Uh....well..... the first one....is this seriously ur rebuttle?? Don't give me the 996/997 crap either. It's nearly the same transmission, and a built 996 tip is just as durable as a built 997 tip and is the same price. The computer is the main significant difference. So u have proved my point and I should stop here.
You have to compare apples to apples professor! 500 Hp to 500 Hp, 600 to
600, 700 to 700 and so on. You can't compare a 1000hp 6 spd to a factory tiptronic like you have in the past.
Likewise and most significant, just because there are not many examples of high HP tips doesn't mean it's not a practical high power option. Just few have done it. Most people choose a 6spd so there are a larger number proportionately. Just guessing but I bet for every 10 high power 6spds there is 1 built tip. So the fact that there are a handful in the top 20 is saying a lot!
The higher the HP/TQ application gets the more efficient an automatic transmission becomes. You just can't get around that fact. John Force and most any dragster uses an automatic transmission.
The problem is that the stock tiptronic is VERY weak indeed as is the stock 6spd clutch! But once the tip it is built, there are NO reports of subsequent failures, and as you have shown yourself they are top contenders for speed.
You have to compare apples to apples professor! 500 Hp to 500 Hp, 600 to
600, 700 to 700 and so on. You can't compare a 1000hp 6 spd to a factory tiptronic like you have in the past.
Likewise and most significant, just because there are not many examples of high HP tips doesn't mean it's not a practical high power option. Just few have done it. Most people choose a 6spd so there are a larger number proportionately. Just guessing but I bet for every 10 high power 6spds there is 1 built tip. So the fact that there are a handful in the top 20 is saying a lot!
The higher the HP/TQ application gets the more efficient an automatic transmission becomes. You just can't get around that fact. John Force and most any dragster uses an automatic transmission.
The problem is that the stock tiptronic is VERY weak indeed as is the stock 6spd clutch! But once the tip it is built, there are NO reports of subsequent failures, and as you have shown yourself they are top contenders for speed.
Come on Jitsu. 2 of the top 3 are 997 tips. And the first one is much faster than the next 2 6spds. I'm not trying to make the claim that a tip is cheaper. In fact, over and over and over I have said initially and much sooner in the process it is not. But as most of your arguments go, it's magic filled misdirection and claims I said things I didn't.
All things equal Hp/TQ/weight a built tiptronic is faster, particularly at increasing pwr levels. Even BHT has said so. I'm not gonna argue stock to stock. Stock tip has no chance and is a POS.
I know you want me to prove it but I'm not gonna go spend $100k on a motor and upgrades and $6-7000 on a transmission to prove it to you. Emre has already proven one of the fastest thing out there is a tiptronic.
This is just as much an argument for automatic vs standard as it is tip vs 6 spd. And as you see in any straight line car the more power you get and the faster it gets the more practical an automatic becomes. Go to the track and you will see the fastest cars there runnin 7,8,9 1/4 miles are significantly more often auto trans!
All things equal Hp/TQ/weight a built tiptronic is faster, particularly at increasing pwr levels. Even BHT has said so. I'm not gonna argue stock to stock. Stock tip has no chance and is a POS.
I know you want me to prove it but I'm not gonna go spend $100k on a motor and upgrades and $6-7000 on a transmission to prove it to you. Emre has already proven one of the fastest thing out there is a tiptronic.
This is just as much an argument for automatic vs standard as it is tip vs 6 spd. And as you see in any straight line car the more power you get and the faster it gets the more practical an automatic becomes. Go to the track and you will see the fastest cars there runnin 7,8,9 1/4 miles are significantly more often auto trans!
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If these cars had come with a trans like BMW's SMG or the new PDK, I might have considered it, but I had tiptronic on my cayenne and did not like it at all. Besides, I like manually running through the gears on a "sports car"
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Sociologists will tell you that human beings naturally exhibit something called cognitive dissonance. In your case it goes like this: "I bought a tip I am a smart guy, therefore tips must be good for high power applications."
The realty is that tips on a 996 are a poor choice for high power applications.
The realty is that tips on a 996 are a poor choice for high power applications.
so, if you'll allow me, a better description of cognitive dissonance would be: "i bought a tip but i KNOW that tips are not the best choice for high HP applications in porsche turbos, and yet that's what i'm trying to achieve"
so it follows, that to reduce the cognitive dissonance in this example, the solution would simply be: get rid of the tip.
