Twin Turbo Shootout
#48
10-04-2004, 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by cjv
Doug,
I really don't care for the awd dyno. Maybe I'm just behind the times.
Doug,
I really don't care for the awd dyno. Maybe I'm just behind the times.
My comment has more to do with what I see to be a time / hassle / potential problem issue (so many disconnecting drivelines, '**** happening' etc.) than me suggesting that an AWD is in any way "better".
They already say they don't think the numbers can matter and will not matter, so it seems that making life easy on participants would be the right thing to do...
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10-04-2004, 09:26 AM
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Guys, if Toyo is the tire sponsor and the hotel is indeed a motel and not a Bellagio, Paris type of hotel, I say we all back out of this event.
Sorry but $3600 per car for WRONG tires, Poor hotel, and who knows what else is simply not worth it to me. Losing a couple of days of work better be justified accordingly.
thanks to those who planned to attend for speaking up!
Fred
Sorry but $3600 per car for WRONG tires, Poor hotel, and who knows what else is simply not worth it to me. Losing a couple of days of work better be justified accordingly.
thanks to those who planned to attend for speaking up!
Fred
#52
10-04-2004, 10:05 PM
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Its looks like the TWIN TURBO SHOOT-OUT is going to die. How did this happen? Did Bernie Ecclestone santion it.......how id it get so loused up?
Someone should call Excellence Magazine, CAR & DRIVER and or the last magazine that did the 1st shoot-out and get it back on track. This shouldnt be so complicated.............any Porsche Twin Turbo should be allowed in too. 993TT and 996TT.
KEEP IT SIMPLE Format:
DYNO Runs=
1/4 Mile ET and speed=
Road course time=
scaled weight#=
==================================
Sounds like people are bailing..............what a shame!
Someone should call Excellence Magazine, CAR & DRIVER and or the last magazine that did the 1st shoot-out and get it back on track. This shouldnt be so complicated.............any Porsche Twin Turbo should be allowed in too. 993TT and 996TT.
KEEP IT SIMPLE Format:
DYNO Runs=
1/4 Mile ET and speed=
Road course time=
scaled weight#=
==================================
Sounds like people are bailing..............what a shame!
#53
10-04-2004, 10:14 PM
At this point it is only for tuners. At least that has been the implied thought.
Don't forget those of us that have to pay for transportation. I have another 1500 each way to eat.
Don't forget those of us that have to pay for transportation. I have another 1500 each way to eat.
#55
10-05-2004, 12:16 AM
Hey how about us all the way out on the east coast!!! Our cost is $1500 each way for each of the 2 cars we are sending plus the 3600 a car... this is a $13,200 investment for us plus plane tickets and all the other BS we will spend money on there... If things keep going the way they are going I am not so sure we will be going either.....
Evan
Evan
#56
10-05-2004, 01:01 AM
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GEE.................it gets worse. Only TUNERS CARS need apply? That is rediculous and not right.
1sT)
That weeds out alot of guys with TUNER cars unless the actual tuner comes out to the event (do able BUT what if the Tuner must stay at their home base and build engines and/or run the business). A Tuner shouldnt have to attend if the car is properly prepaired.
2) Most 996TT & 993TT cars have a variety of parts and performance combinations-- do the cars have to have only 1 tuners parts. That is nonsense and means that someone/firm could slap stickers on the few cars that might show and "WIN" the Tuner shootout by DEFAULT!
3) Participants have to RUN crappy tires and comply with other
nonsensical rules WHILE spending $10,000-$20,000 to give magazine's AWESOME reading material that will increase the magazines circulation.
4) Who and what group of people DEFINES "what is the correct TUNER car"?
4) This all sounds as if "someone is deliberately creating a barrier to entry" (Economics 101) that will reduce competition and the participants so that RUF or someone else can walk in and WIN and get all the coverage.
5) Its very "STRANGE" that Excellence and Porsche Panorama DID NOT provide and coverage on the 1st Tuner shootout and or results and etc. Even the blind random, unbiased 996TT exhaust DYNO shootout results never got POSTED!
Have a great day
Joe w/
Alex, Melissa, and Bill
1sT)
That weeds out alot of guys with TUNER cars unless the actual tuner comes out to the event (do able BUT what if the Tuner must stay at their home base and build engines and/or run the business). A Tuner shouldnt have to attend if the car is properly prepaired.
2) Most 996TT & 993TT cars have a variety of parts and performance combinations-- do the cars have to have only 1 tuners parts. That is nonsense and means that someone/firm could slap stickers on the few cars that might show and "WIN" the Tuner shootout by DEFAULT!
3) Participants have to RUN crappy tires and comply with other
nonsensical rules WHILE spending $10,000-$20,000 to give magazine's AWESOME reading material that will increase the magazines circulation.
4) Who and what group of people DEFINES "what is the correct TUNER car"?
4) This all sounds as if "someone is deliberately creating a barrier to entry" (Economics 101) that will reduce competition and the participants so that RUF or someone else can walk in and WIN and get all the coverage.
5) Its very "STRANGE" that Excellence and Porsche Panorama DID NOT provide and coverage on the 1st Tuner shootout and or results and etc. Even the blind random, unbiased 996TT exhaust DYNO shootout results never got POSTED!
Have a great day
Joe w/
Alex, Melissa, and Bill
#57
10-05-2004, 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by AMG ETR
Hey how about us all the way out on the east coast!!! Our cost is $1500 each way for each of the 2 cars we are sending plus the 3600 a car... this is a $13,200 investment for us plus plane tickets and all the other BS we will spend money on there... If things keep going the way they are going I am not so sure we will be going either.....
Evan
Hey how about us all the way out on the east coast!!! Our cost is $1500 each way for each of the 2 cars we are sending plus the 3600 a car... this is a $13,200 investment for us plus plane tickets and all the other BS we will spend money on there... If things keep going the way they are going I am not so sure we will be going either.....
Evan
Think about it this way...
Your $13k investment lets you share a room in a motel 6 just out past the airport runway in LostWages Nevada babee!!! And you know what they say, don't you? "What happens in Las Vegas, stays in Las Vegas!" (Well, at least until the pictures are posted on the internet.)
Scheesch! WTF do you 6speedbrigadoon types expect for a measely $13k anyway?
(j/k about the motel... I have no idea where the rooms are, but I do know where all the smooth young men will be... in Sharky's room.)
#58
10-05-2004, 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by SANDOVAL
I will definatley be part of the So.Cal Caravan because I know we will have a crowd.
I will definatley be part of the So.Cal Caravan because I know we will have a crowd.
#59
10-06-2004, 12:21 AM
Originally posted by dpblessing
bb.. b. but... don't be so cheap.
Think about it this way...
Your $13k investment lets you share a room in a motel 6 just out past the airport runway in LostWages Nevada babee!!! And you know what they say, don't you? "What happens in Las Vegas, stays in Las Vegas!" (Well, at least until the pictures are posted on the internet.)
Scheesch! WTF do you 6speedbrigadoon types expect for a measely $13k anyway?
(j/k about the motel... I have no idea where the rooms are, but I do know where all the smooth young men will be... in Sharky's room.)
bb.. b. but... don't be so cheap.
Think about it this way...
Your $13k investment lets you share a room in a motel 6 just out past the airport runway in LostWages Nevada babee!!! And you know what they say, don't you? "What happens in Las Vegas, stays in Las Vegas!" (Well, at least until the pictures are posted on the internet.)
Scheesch! WTF do you 6speedbrigadoon types expect for a measely $13k anyway?
(j/k about the motel... I have no idea where the rooms are, but I do know where all the smooth young men will be... in Sharky's room.)
#60
10-06-2004, 01:42 AM
Originally posted by dpblessing
(j/k about the motel... I have no idea where the rooms are, but I do know where all the smooth young men will be... in Sharky's room.)
(j/k about the motel... I have no idea where the rooms are, but I do know where all the smooth young men will be... in Sharky's room.)
