Okay I can't stand the noise and comments anymore - Upgraded Clutch & LWFW
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My heart goes out to you brother. I may have gone overboard on the above clutch. Todd K at Proto suggested a Sachs Motorsport pp/gt2 disc with a dual mass flywheel for a closer to stock feel or the above clutch for something more bulletproof to hold his Proto 650 I just got put in. Noisy as hell on/off to the max. I am still breaking her in with est 450 miles today. Picked up car Sunday and have stalled 30-40 times in traffic. Maybe for you the first suggestion would be better. Akram my mechanic says it will break in well and eventually get more like stock and Todd says the noise will eventually die down. I have my fingers crossed. Good Luck!
Are you saying that the Sachs Motorsport pp/gt2 disc with a dual mass flywheel is noisey?
I have the same one put in by protosport in jersey, and honestly feels and sounds just like stock....
i opted not to get teh lightweight flywheel since the car is noisey already as is....
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At my first DE at VIR, my senior instructor (head instructor/DE person of a region) was very much surprised by how much he liked my car. I let him drive it on day one, session 1, lap one. He said "I'll use it for a lap or two."
8 laps later we went into the pits.
That is over half the session to those who don't know how big VIR is....
He loved the lwfw. (He also loved the torque out of Oaktree...)
There is a reason Porsche put the LWFW on the GT3RS ..... Unless you are idling, you do not hear it. If that matters to you, that is fine, I just don't want people to think it chatters all of the time. It doesn't. You only know it is there because when you hit the gas....zoom the revs go up. Rev matching is instantaneous. Sure you need to learn it. It took me about 3 days to be comfortable and about 3 days on track to really "know" it...but I didn't know how to drive at all and now I am just so so.
Anyway, if you are pulling the clutch out for some reason, the lwfw to me is a no brainer unless you use the 996TT for music and such...as such, the car stinks...
JB
8 laps later we went into the pits.
That is over half the session to those who don't know how big VIR is....He loved the lwfw. (He also loved the torque out of Oaktree...)
There is a reason Porsche put the LWFW on the GT3RS ..... Unless you are idling, you do not hear it. If that matters to you, that is fine, I just don't want people to think it chatters all of the time. It doesn't. You only know it is there because when you hit the gas....zoom the revs go up. Rev matching is instantaneous. Sure you need to learn it. It took me about 3 days to be comfortable and about 3 days on track to really "know" it...but I didn't know how to drive at all and now I am just so so.
Anyway, if you are pulling the clutch out for some reason, the lwfw to me is a no brainer unless you use the 996TT for music and such...as such, the car stinks...
JB
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I also have the ATS Carbonetics triple disk clutch and 11lb flywheel. I have 1400 miles on it and the on/off is still there but I am use to the feel. The noise will never go away because it is not coming from the clutch; it is coming from the transmission gears.
I always get that look like my car sounds like cr$p but that is the nature of the LWFW.
The quick engine rev and performance makes up for the noise and on/off feel. But if I had to drive the car every day, I would have changed the clutch by now.
You have to wait 1000 miles before the clutch is broken in and will feel better and grab correctly.
I can tell you this; my car is very fast because of the clutch and LWFW. Worth the pain.
I always get that look like my car sounds like cr$p but that is the nature of the LWFW.
The quick engine rev and performance makes up for the noise and on/off feel. But if I had to drive the car every day, I would have changed the clutch by now.
You have to wait 1000 miles before the clutch is broken in and will feel better and grab correctly.
I can tell you this; my car is very fast because of the clutch and LWFW. Worth the pain.
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At my first DE at VIR, my senior instructor (head instructor/DE person of a region) was very much surprised by how much he liked my car. I let him drive it on day one, session 1, lap one. He said "I'll use it for a lap or two."
8 laps later we went into the pits. That is over half the session to those who don't know how big VIR is....
He loved the lwfw. (He also loved the torque out of Oaktree...)
There is a reason Porsche put the LWFW on the GT3RS ..... Unless you are idling, you do not hear it. If that matters to you, that is fine, I just don't want people to think it chatters all of the time. It doesn't. You only know it is there because when you hit the gas....zoom the revs go up. Rev matching is instantaneous. Sure you need to learn it. It took me about 3 days to be comfortable and about 3 days on track to really "know" it...but I didn't know how to drive at all and now I am just so so.
Anyway, if you are pulling the clutch out for some reason, the lwfw to me is a no brainer unless you use the 996TT for music and such...as such, the car stinks...
JB
8 laps later we went into the pits.
That is over half the session to those who don't know how big VIR is....He loved the lwfw. (He also loved the torque out of Oaktree...)
There is a reason Porsche put the LWFW on the GT3RS ..... Unless you are idling, you do not hear it. If that matters to you, that is fine, I just don't want people to think it chatters all of the time. It doesn't. You only know it is there because when you hit the gas....zoom the revs go up. Rev matching is instantaneous. Sure you need to learn it. It took me about 3 days to be comfortable and about 3 days on track to really "know" it...but I didn't know how to drive at all and now I am just so so.
Anyway, if you are pulling the clutch out for some reason, the lwfw to me is a no brainer unless you use the 996TT for music and such...as such, the car stinks...
JB
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Based on your comments, I would recommend the Sachs 999 pressure plate, send it to Clutchmasters for additional clamp force for good measure, combine it with the Sachs race disc and a dual mass flywheel. The car will drive like stock and the clutch will hold ...no noise or chatter, whatsoever. very smooth and predictable. BTW - Tony at EPL tried it and asked what it was because he really liked it...this is what you would require, if you go this route:
1) Sachs "999" Pressure Plate, Part# 883082 752 - modified by Clutchmasters (Clutchmasters will test/verify the new increased clamp force and index the disc prior to return shipment)
2) Disc - Sachs metallic motorsports race disc (part number is on the disc pictured)
3) Dual mass flywheel (part number is on the FW pictured)
1) Sachs "999" Pressure Plate, Part# 883082 752 - modified by Clutchmasters (Clutchmasters will test/verify the new increased clamp force and index the disc prior to return shipment)
2) Disc - Sachs metallic motorsports race disc (part number is on the disc pictured)
3) Dual mass flywheel (part number is on the FW pictured)
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Or, your assumption could be correct.
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I just got back from BBI Autosport in Huntington Beach, CA where they installed a Sachs Stage II clutch and LWFW. I am very happy with it. I am taking it easy during the first few hundred miles but the engine revs up very nicely. The pedal is almost identical to the stock pedal. It engages very quickly - almost an on/off feel. I don't even notice any chatter from the LWFW yet - but I have only driven it for about 30 minutes since getting it back.
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