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Old Aug 31, 2008 | 09:59 PM
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what would cause it to break apart? seems like the hose apapter would have to fail and fall apart in peices before being sucked into the turbo. even if the hoses were loose it seems like it would'nt get sucked in.
 
Old Aug 31, 2008 | 10:05 PM
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what would cause it to break apart? seems like the hose apapter would have to fail and fall apart in peices before being sucked into the turbo. even if the hoses were loose it seems like it would'nt get sucked in.
You are right. I am not sure exactly what would have caused it to fail. I will take pictures tomorrow when I go into the garage of the piece that I am referring to. If it did crumble before it entered the turbo then I had a defective product from Porsche, which I will not rule out, but we will never really know
 
Old Sep 1, 2008 | 09:46 AM
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I wonder if the hose to plastic intake tract was overtightened. If this happend maybe the duct was crushed and a piece fell in. Sorry to hear about this. If you have remove the ducts behing the motor you should DEFINATELY go back with bigger air inlet tubes. The de and re of this part is a PIA and once its out go back better. Might also want to do a leakdown test on cylinders just to be sure nothing got hurt inside of engine. Good luck and clean, blowout and inspect everything when going back together.
 
Old Sep 1, 2008 | 09:50 AM
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Wasn't there some fitment issues ya'll ran into?
 
Old Sep 1, 2008 | 11:27 AM
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So what you are saying is that the stock inlet pipe (which is cast aluminum) cracked and a piece broke free and got sucked into the turbo. The stock car has a 2" rubber hose that connects this pipe to the turbo inlet.

If that is true, then the pipe was possibly: flawed from the factory, dropped or damaged during your work, or the hose clamp was over tightened (or all of the above).

BTW, warning heeded, but that could happen to any car, stock or aftermarket. You are going to **** some people off by singling out one kit like you did, especially since you have none of their parts on your car! What was the purpose of singling them out???
 
Old Sep 1, 2008 | 01:10 PM
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So what you are saying is that the stock inlet pipe (which is cast aluminum) cracked and a piece broke free and got sucked into the turbo. The stock car has a 2" rubber hose that connects this pipe to the turbo inlet.

If that is true, then the pipe was possibly: flawed from the factory, dropped or damaged during your work, or the hose clamp was over tightened (or all of the above).

BTW, warning heeded, but that could happen to any car, stock or aftermarket. You are going to **** some people off by singling out one kit like you did, especially since you have none of their parts on your car! What was the purpose of singling them out???
I said any other kit that uses that piece. As far as I have been told the only kit that uses larger than a K24 hotside is the AP Engineering kit. Dan is a friend of mine and I would not do anything to hurt them. The only kit that doesn't use the stock inlet tube I THINK is the EVOMS GT650 kit. If I am wrong please someone correct me.

No need to get defensive for the kit you have. This is a warning for everyone because nobody needs to go through the problems that I have. If the piece can be removed I'd suggest doing it unless you are upgrading the inlet pipes!
 
Old Sep 1, 2008 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Powell
I said any other kit that uses that piece. As far as I have been told the only kit that uses larger than a K24 hotside is the AP Engineering kit. Dan is a friend of mine and I would not do anything to hurt them. The only kit that doesn't use the stock inlet tube I THINK is the EVOMS GT650 kit. If I am wrong please someone correct me.

No need to get defensive for the kit you have. This is a warning for everyone because nobody needs to go through the problems that I have. If the piece can be removed I'd suggest doing it unless you are upgrading the inlet pipes!
I'm not running an AP kit and perhaps I came off overdefensive, but after all the absurd recent vendor bashing threads I may have over reacted. Sorry.

Anyway, back OT: All cars except for the EVOMS GT700 and the Protomotive 750+ kits use the stock inlet piping unless the owner has opted to upgrade it. So this is a rare failure. I suspect the pipe cracked from over torquing the hose clamp.
 
Old Sep 1, 2008 | 02:11 PM
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Roadster....Glad you came back with the comment about being a bit on the defensive side. Yes, recently there has been a bit of reciprocal bashing going on....but there's nothing wrong with someone posting what kit or product he was using that failed. The issue is whether the failure falls within the "$hit happens" category or is potetially a problem that is or could be related to a product deficiency that could happen again. Those of us who read these forums appreciate being alerted to potential problems, and if that alert happens to mention the product, then there's nothing wrong with that. The critical part becomes one of including enough information for readers to reach a logical conclusion without being led by a one-sided or biased approach. I think the conclusion is that this particular event seems to fall within the $hit happens category, but I for one am now alert to the caution to be careful in tightening down on the inlet hose.
 
Old Sep 1, 2008 | 06:13 PM
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Chris, I can't imagine your frustration finding out such crappy news so I feel bad jumping on you about that. Please forgive me.

OK, so moving forward. You can fit the pieces you found on to your pipe to determine how much if any of it went past the compressor and into the engine. For example, if all the peices fit without any missing, then only compressor wheel shavings went into the engine. Good luck.
 
Old Sep 1, 2008 | 06:27 PM
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Change your oil and run the compression and leakdown checks. Any metal don't = mad power.
 
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AP Engineering??? Chris never had any turbo from Agency Power... Our Garrett turbos have a silicone coupler that reduces from the custom machined Garrett compressor to the factory diameter of the intercooler pipe. We do not include new intercooler pipes but recommend upgrading. We are working on a new one though. Sorry just saw our or possible name and wanted to clarify.
 
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Damn. Just saw this thread. After reading your first post, I had a hunch it was FOD on the compressor. This is one of those times I was hoping to be wrong.
Now that you've got it identified, I'm sure it'll be no time before you're up and running again.
 
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Apparently people are taking this the completly wrong way! Let me break this down and make it easily readable...

I SAID IF YOU HAVE A KIT THAT DOES NOT HAVE INTAKE TUBES THAT COME FROM THE AIRBOX TO THE TURBOS AND YOU HAVE LARGER TURBOS, THAT DO NOT UTILIZE A K24 HOUSING THEN YOU HAVE A CHANCE OF SUCKING THIS PIECE INTO YOUR SYSTEM! THE ONLY REASON WHY I MENTION THE AP ENGINEERING KIT IS BECAUSE THEY DO NOT INCLUDE THE INTAKE TUBES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

I WAS POINTED TOWARDS THE EVOMS 660 or 650 KIT THAT DOES NOT USE THEM EITHER.. YOU SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT YOUR INSTALLER KEEPS THIS IN MIND WHEN INSTALLING THESE PIECES!!!

THE PROTOMOTIVE 600/650/700 KITS USE A K24 COLD SIDE HOUSING THEREFOR YOU WILL NOT HAVE THIS PROBLEM!

Sorry to sound like an ******* but this is getting blown out of proportion... I'm trying to prevent you all from an expensive oops that I have experienced.

ALSO MY KIT WAS BUILT/INSTALLED AND DESIGNED BY MYSELF! NOBODY HAS TO WORRY ABOUT TAKING CREDIT FOR THIS BREAK!
 
Old Sep 1, 2008 | 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by vividracing
AP Engineering??? Chris never had any turbo from Agency Power... Our Garrett turbos have a silicone coupler that reduces from the custom machined Garrett compressor to the factory diameter of the intercooler pipe. We do not include new intercooler pipes but recommend upgrading. We are working on a new one though. Sorry just saw our or possible name and wanted to clarify.
Dan regardless if you include this it does not solve the problem. The piece that broke off is in the stock intake tube. Using a silicon coupler won't correct a thing. The problem is in the stock tubing itself and unless you take the rings out or upgrade to an aftermarket kit like you, EVOMS, Speed Gallery, Protomotive, etc. sell then you could have this problem.
 

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Old Sep 1, 2008 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jimmer23
Change your oil and run the compression and leakdown checks. Any metal don't = mad power.
Planning on it man

Sucks that I have to go through this, but I am trying to help people that are using a setup that involves stock intake tubes to help prevent anyone else from having this problem.
 


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