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Old May 1, 2009 | 09:59 AM
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I am curious as to the world wide 60-130 champion, I imagine something like the Caparo T1 or a Ford RS2000 modified would be the ticket.
 
Old May 1, 2009 | 11:40 AM
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top fuel dragster.....is probably the top.

But really, what we are talking about here is cars that can go around a track and still cut great acceleration times.

As for the Aero, yes, it is quite a bit more expensive, but for 600k or more I expect a high tech motor, not an OHV engine. They should have done what Ascari, or Zonda did and gone with a merc or BMW engine.

same with the mosler mt900 and the saleen S7.

There must be 20 supercars I would take before any of these.
 
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Top fuel dragsters are the top of the food chain, they have OHV engines. Don't forget that OHV came after OHC, which most people don't know.

I would take the S7 over alot of the cars out there, they are rare and they actually have laps turned in competition. The S7 isn't a street car made into a race car, its the other way around.
 
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Originally Posted by germeezy1
Top fuel dragsters are the top of the food chain, they have OHV engines. Don't forget that OHV came after OHC, which most people don't know.

I would take the S7 over alot of the cars out there, they are rare and they actually have laps turned in competition. The S7 isn't a street car made into a race car, its the other way around.

Top fuel dragsters are at the top, because they only have to run for 5 seconds. No reliability required and the high cost of dual overhead cams on a motor that is likely to blow is not worth it.

OHV came after as a cheap alternative to the very expensive overhead cam designs. The US tried developing it's own SOHC hi perf engines in the 60's with no success.

SOHC and DOHC engines are way more advanced and hence why you see them in highest levels of racing, like F1 and LMP.

if you can argue with this there truly is no hope for you
 
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Top fuel dragsters are at the top, because they only have to run for 5 seconds. No reliability required and the high cost of dual overhead cams on a motor that is likely to blow is not worth it.

OHV came after as a cheap alternative to the very expensive overhead cam designs. The US tried developing it's own SOHC hi perf engines in the 60's with no success.

SOHC and DOHC engines are way more advanced and hence why you see them in highest levels of racing, like F1 and LMP.

if you can argue with this there truly is no hope for you

Wait did you just say top fuel engines don't run DOHC because of cost?

And I agree the DOHC engine in my E36 is way more advanced than the piece of crap under my Corvette's hood.....
 
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Originally Posted by germeezy1
Wait did you just say top fuel engines don't run DOHC because of cost?

And I agree the DOHC engine in my E36 is way more advanced than the piece of crap under my Corvette's hood.....

I would not call the vettes engine a piece of crap, just not as advanced. The small block chevy is probably the most developed OHV engine on the planet and thanks to Nascar racing over the years, it has been extensively developed. Yes, it is not as efficient as a euro engine but it is still an excellent engine. however, to eek out the most DOHC can help and the money poured into top fuel is crazy, so the money is there

Modern top fuel engines are incredibly expensive, and are probably the most powerfull piston engines ever developed. 5500-7000 hp is worth noting. For their purposes, there is no need to have DOHC's. Endurance engines however, have to have long term endurance and DOHC is considerably better at this.

You picked a good example. The BMW. The M5 motor produces 500 bhp and it is a few liters smaller than the ZO6 engine that produces the same bhp. Good case in point.
 

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Your missing something, the bigger cubic inch 427 engine in the Vette has a more useable powerband. It gets alot better gas mileage, while weighing less and being physically smaller. It also has a much better warranty from the factory on it , a testament to its inherent durability.

OHC for most uses excels in alot of different areas, but it has its drawbacks too such as physical size. With displacement limited race rules of course OHC is going to produce a higher specific output. I do applaud GM for making an engine that basically gives you the extra capacity, which in turn makes the engine more understressed and for no drawbacks.
 
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Originally Posted by germeezy1
Your missing something, the bigger cubic inch 427 engine in the Vette has a more useable powerband. It gets alot better gas mileage, while weighing less and being physically smaller. It also has a much better warranty from the factory on it , a testament to its inherent durability.

OHC for most uses excels in alot of different areas, but it has its drawbacks too such as physical size. With displacement limited race rules of course OHC is going to produce a higher specific output. I do applaud GM for making an engine that basically gives you the extra capacity, which in turn makes the engine more understressed and for no drawbacks.
I'm not missing it you are. you called it a POS or crap actually
 
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