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Old Apr 29, 2009 | 07:11 PM
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Colorado is one of the most beautiful places I've ever been, especially the mountains. If scenery is what makes the ring special, the ring could have a serious challenge on it's hands.

The great part is that this track could bring F1 back to the US, and all the racing that will take place there. Who wouldnt love to see an American version of Lemans or 24 hrs of the Rockies. Maybe this could be the straw that relieves ALMS of the crutch that is FIA and make it's own classing that could be more successful here in the states. Even down to the mags moving from VIF grand to something similar to the ring for comparison here in the states. If they don't try to make it too exclusive, the possiblities are endless. Mirror image tracks that allow competiton without being on the same track, karting, off roading. This could ecplise the ring IMO which has history, but in modern context is just a road.

This would be a momentous occasion were they to get it done, not to be underestimated. The only problem as I see it is the location, sounds like it will be hard to get to, and the weather is cold and the altitude is high.
 
Old Apr 29, 2009 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by heavychevy
Speaking of which, you are judging a track that hasn't even been built yet. Not the ring, ok we agree, but not in the same ballpark? Based on what?
For starters? 13 miles long, 1000 feet of elevation change, 33 left and 40 right turns (really 176 or so combined). Blind crests and turns, every single one is off-camber and/or challenging, through the mountains and woods. The single greatest track to test a cars worth - bar none.

Not to mention the sheer thrilling white-knuckle danger factor with the Armco everywhere and limited runoff, make you incredibly focused and acutely aware of your vehicle control skills.

I'm sure these new tracks are great, and I'm not hating on them at all - I would LOVE to see a proper racing series here in the US, and if these tracks are completed they will no doubt flock to them. I just think that comparing them to the 'Ring is IMO a touch ignorant. n In todays world, you simply could never build anything like it again. We can't even get a proper high-speed train line built here because of all the NIMBYs out there. Can you imagine how impossible it would be to build a track of the same scope as the 'Ring? 22 sq km!

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Old Apr 29, 2009 | 07:59 PM
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There will never be an F1 race in Colorado. First, there is no way that area's businesses could justify the expenditure that King Bernie would require. Second, part of the reason that the USGP was so bad was because Indianapolis wasn't very "f1 circus friendly." I loved the Montreal race, but never even considered going to my home country's race. The USGP will need to be near a true destination. If I were to lay a bet, I'd say it'll be a street race in California. I'm not holding my breath, though. The Canadian Grand Prix will be back soon enough, and that will make the manufacturers happy enough to at least have one race in North America. Oh yeah, isn't Cancun in the running for a race? (Post swine flu)
 
Old Apr 29, 2009 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jimmer23
For starters? 13 miles long, 1000 feet of elevation change, 33 left and 40 right turns (really 176 or so combined). Blind crests and turns, every single one is off-camber and/or challenging, through the mountains and woods. The single greatest track to test a cars worth - bar none.

Not to mention the sheer thrilling white-knuckle danger factor with the Armco everywhere and limited runoff, make you incredibly focused and acutely aware of your vehicle control skills.

I'm sure these new tracks are great, and I'm not hating on them at all - I would LOVE to see a proper racing series here in the US, and if these tracks are completed they will no doubt flock to them. I just think that comparing them to the 'Ring is IMO a touch ignorant. n In todays world, you simply could never build anything like it again. We can't even get a proper high-speed train line built here because of all the NIMBYs out there. Can you imagine how impossible it would be to build a track of the same scope as the 'Ring? 22 sq km!

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The length of a track doesn't make the track, if that's the case then the bridge to gantry doesn't compare to the complete lap which is a few miles longer. I think that's a bit of an overstatement.

This track is in the Colorado mountains, I think the woods, mountains and elevation changes will be covered.

The ring historically has no peers, and that will never change, but history does not make beyond reproach. I'm thinking of a track that's F1 caliber but 8 miles long (think Bahrain, Sepang etc) but 8 miles long. As far as a realistic modern interpretation it can and will certainly be mentioned in context with the ring and deservedly so. A real comparison however can still not be given until the track actually sees the light of day. So tossing it as non-relevant to ring comparisons is the only ignorance here. You'd best be prepared to be aggravated as that is ALL it will be compared to.
 
Old Apr 29, 2009 | 08:56 PM
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It'll be perhaps compared to Spa, Monza, LeMans, Hockenheim, Silverstone, etc. The Nordschleife is beyond the capability of F1 cars and safety, which is why they built the smaller GP circuit next to it.

It's nice to think that it would be on par with the 'Ring, but just a fantasy.

Anyway, back to your regular scheduled programming!
 
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Heavy tut tut!... Nurburgring inspired track is a nice statement... but Nurburgring USA is a bit mmmmmmmm!... It looks great on the outset but I would not hold my breath... I know it's easy for me to say as I am over here in Europe but as a regular to the Nordschleife it gives me a buzz that no other track could ever do and we do have some great tracks here... It's by far the most challenging track in the world and to drive on the same stretch of tarmac that has had the finest racing drivers from all over the world gives me great pleasure. Oh, they have recently just invested a further 250 million Euro in the Nurburgring... the last 2 years there has been major construction been carried out... There can only be one!
 
Old Apr 30, 2009 | 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by seth_horwitz
There will never be an F1 race in Colorado. First, there is no way that area's businesses could justify the expenditure that King Bernie would require. Second, part of the reason that the USGP was so bad was because Indianapolis wasn't very "f1 circus friendly." I loved the Montreal race, but never even considered going to my home country's race. The USGP will need to be near a true destination. If I were to lay a bet, I'd say it'll be a street race in California. I'm not holding my breath, though. The Canadian Grand Prix will be back soon enough, and that will make the manufacturers happy enough to at least have one race in North America. Oh yeah, isn't Cancun in the running for a race? (Post swine flu)
I disagree. This town has changed considerably. Besides there was a Gran Prix here a few years ago, like Long Beach. The money is definitely here, so is the track.

I am one of those that would travel to Germany to do the ring, btw.
 
Old Apr 30, 2009 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by 996TT_STEVO
Heavy tut tut!... Nurburgring inspired track is a nice statement... but Nurburgring USA is a bit mmmmmmmm!... It looks great on the outset but I would not hold my breath... I know it's easy for me to say as I am over here in Europe but as a regular to the Nordschleife it gives me a buzz that no other track could ever do and we do have some great tracks here... It's by far the most challenging track in the world and to drive on the same stretch of tarmac that has had the finest racing drivers from all over the world gives me great pleasure. Oh, they have recently just invested a further 250 million Euro in the Nurburgring... the last 2 years there has been major construction been carried out... There can only be one!

Comon guys, I think the ring comparisons are being taken a bit too seriously. I can understand a man love for the nurburgring, but this would be the closest thing to it in the world. Weather or not it's worthy of the comparisons that will inevitably be drawn (it's called the RING of the Rockies) can be reserved for if it actually comes true or not. But my goodness, it's just thread title.

I'm concerned more with the possiblilties than the comparisons.
 
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It would be something else if they pulled it off... that's for sure!

I keep saying this but I wish there was an easy way you guys could get over... 6speed Ring Meet
 
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WOW! Are you going to do it, and do you have a passenger yet?
 
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Wow...this is impressive indeed. I hope they get it completed to the specs outlined in that brochure.
 
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