How to make 1000 bhp
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Hi, i dont drag race or track race but i love the thrust of acceleration. 1000 bhp is the number i came up with just simply because that was the possible power on offer from a reasonanly priced set of turbos i have seen. I just use my car when i have the oppurtunity, for fun. Atm im just playing around with the basics, just looking what is best route for the future, even 5 or 600 bhp will get boring eventualy!!
I rather have 850 rwhp with a good range of of power vs 950 rwhp that is peaky...
the 850 rwhp will be faster 1/4 as well as 60 to 130 even though it has less HP... less cost is involved as well... thus having gone thru this ten times over and over I would do a simple rod job, minor head port.... gaskets and headstuds... this with either my custom turbos or even with garrett 3076r with a ..82 it will produce 850 rwhp... and it will beat most 950 rwhp cars with gt35rs because the range of the power is so much better on this set up.....
I have gt35rs... full boost is at 5k vs 4k on 30rs...
markski
the 850 rwhp will be faster 1/4 as well as 60 to 130 even though it has less HP... less cost is involved as well... thus having gone thru this ten times over and over I would do a simple rod job, minor head port.... gaskets and headstuds... this with either my custom turbos or even with garrett 3076r with a ..82 it will produce 850 rwhp... and it will beat most 950 rwhp cars with gt35rs because the range of the power is so much better on this set up.....
I have gt35rs... full boost is at 5k vs 4k on 30rs...
markski
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I posted a while back that a 9ff car went 9.5 at 160 mph. But it was a 996tt with a 997 nose on it.
As for 1000 bhp, I thought that both KPG and Topgun had that or very close with 3.6 motors.
As for 1000 bhp, I thought that both KPG and Topgun had that or very close with 3.6 motors.
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So what sort of ballpark cost are you talking for minor build up like that? Seems like the numbers are all over the board once you get into the engine.
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Betim, considering your background in racing, you should probably also point out the perils of pushing this kind of power. These motors are not proven to be factory-reliable at these levels, and by that I mean being able to push 6 figure mileage or last an endurance race. So really, the question is, what is the point of having 1000hp in a Porsche? Freeway pulls and drag racing for bragging rights? OK. But anything else, not really.
If the factory were to build a truly reliable 1000hp setup, I guarantee you at this point it would cost easily tens of millions of dollars of development into the motor alone. Look at how much it cost to develop the Veyron! They are losing money on every unit.
If the factory were to build a truly reliable 1000hp setup, I guarantee you at this point it would cost easily tens of millions of dollars of development into the motor alone. Look at how much it cost to develop the Veyron! They are losing money on every unit.
well lets see,
good quality IC $2.5K Secan IC $20K, 8x higher
996/997 well built motor $40K Secan Built motor $320K
I think you are about $680k to high
what is the point? why do people climb everest? Why do people hang glide? why..etc...
as for not being able to make 1000 reliable hp, well do we really know that for sure. I mean after all there is 20 year old technology from the 956, which had a 2.65L F6 motor that was putting out 650 24 hour reliable HP. that would translate to 932 bhp for a 3.8L motor using mid 80's technology. I'd call it a safe bet that motors can be reliably built to near 1000 bhp, and not for 1 meeeeellion dollas
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Buy a Ford GT or a Viper, Slap some twins on it and call it good.
(That is what my English buddy (formerly F1 McLaren engine builder) would
call "LAZY HP".
With Porsches, Like Markski said, 1000 certainly can and has been done but
think about this long and hard before leaping. What will be your usage pattern/usability on English countryside roads ? Or do you want to thrill the crowds
at Bruntingthorpe ?
Good luck,
MK
(That is what my English buddy (formerly F1 McLaren engine builder) would
call "LAZY HP".
With Porsches, Like Markski said, 1000 certainly can and has been done but
think about this long and hard before leaping. What will be your usage pattern/usability on English countryside roads ? Or do you want to thrill the crowds
at Bruntingthorpe ?
Good luck,
MK
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Another q tgis brings me to, what power, or set up would be needed to out accelerate a veyron, looking at weight and aerodynamics i dont think you would even meed to build the motor! Ive heard of cars at 700 bhp on stock internals
in that case why buy a 996tt or 997tt then put anther 3 to 500 euros to turn it into a supercar.. you might as well just buy one....
Euro tuners build cars for high speed enduro runs... they do not do 1/4 miles nor 60 to 130s... thus the builds in some ways are different and usually a bit more expensive... especially if they have to go thru TUV ( something like that)...
We do not go 180 mph for 5 minutes.... thus our requirements are a bit different.... our motors do not reach such stress nor temperatures... thus we get away with a lot more abuse on stock blocks...
However, I do think that the tuner culture in Europe( and this is coming from one of them who actually is a full blown programmer- Winols )... does not maximize the tuning components to the the fullest....
Euro tuners build cars for high speed enduro runs... they do not do 1/4 miles nor 60 to 130s... thus the builds in some ways are different and usually a bit more expensive... especially if they have to go thru TUV ( something like that)...
We do not go 180 mph for 5 minutes.... thus our requirements are a bit different.... our motors do not reach such stress nor temperatures... thus we get away with a lot more abuse on stock blocks...
However, I do think that the tuner culture in Europe( and this is coming from one of them who actually is a full blown programmer- Winols )... does not maximize the tuning components to the the fullest....
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GTdeux, chill man, I knew that would get a rise out of you, considering our last IC discussion.
Doesn't Honeywell make alarm panels as well.
that stress tolerance of 100% that you mentioned is called a Safety Factor in Engineering terms. Good info if true.
Doesn't Honeywell make alarm panels as well.
that stress tolerance of 100% that you mentioned is called a Safety Factor in Engineering terms. Good info if true.
A "Secan built" motor? 
If you're going to use sarcasm at least get your facts straight.
Last time I checked, Secan builds intercooler and radiator cores, and is a division of Honeywell Aerospace. I assure you that if Honeywell were to "build" a 1000hp motor, it would cost well north of $320K.
Do you have any idea how much those 80's technology motors cost to develop? Look at the defunct V10 that was originally intended for the prototype class at Le Mans and had to be amortized over 1500 Carrera GT's. And that was "only" 600hp.
Oh yeah, and last time I checked, the GT1`motor and its dry sump lubrication system has been amortized over many, many models due to its high development cost.
The fact is that Porsche builds their components to have 100% stress tolerance. So if they are running 400hp, most every component in theory should be able to withstand double the output. This info was as of the 90's, so I don't know how much tolerances have changed since then. Try asking real prototype engine builders such as Neil Harvey, who built prototype 962 and F1 motors and ask him just how cheap it is to build a reliable 1000hp.
Alois Ruf stated in Excellence (or one of the Brit Porsche mags) this month while reviewing the RT-12s that the flat-6 is limited to about 4 liters and reliable power output around 700bhp. But I suppose you know more than he does.
And yes, considering that the new GT3-RS Mk.2 sidemarker light alone cost several hundred thousand euros to redevelop and manufacture just for the new RS (due to wider front fender extentions), a new motor development would cost well over 1 MILLION DOLLARS.
So maybe you should do some research before making snide comments.
I guess VW and Bugatti must be a bunch of morons then. Why spend hundreds of millions of euros when all they had to do was slap on a twin turbo onto a Gallardo motor or a 997 Turbo motor right?
If you're going to use sarcasm at least get your facts straight.
Last time I checked, Secan builds intercooler and radiator cores, and is a division of Honeywell Aerospace. I assure you that if Honeywell were to "build" a 1000hp motor, it would cost well north of $320K.
Do you have any idea how much those 80's technology motors cost to develop? Look at the defunct V10 that was originally intended for the prototype class at Le Mans and had to be amortized over 1500 Carrera GT's. And that was "only" 600hp.
Oh yeah, and last time I checked, the GT1`motor and its dry sump lubrication system has been amortized over many, many models due to its high development cost.
The fact is that Porsche builds their components to have 100% stress tolerance. So if they are running 400hp, most every component in theory should be able to withstand double the output. This info was as of the 90's, so I don't know how much tolerances have changed since then. Try asking real prototype engine builders such as Neil Harvey, who built prototype 962 and F1 motors and ask him just how cheap it is to build a reliable 1000hp.
Alois Ruf stated in Excellence (or one of the Brit Porsche mags) this month while reviewing the RT-12s that the flat-6 is limited to about 4 liters and reliable power output around 700bhp. But I suppose you know more than he does.
And yes, considering that the new GT3-RS Mk.2 sidemarker light alone cost several hundred thousand euros to redevelop and manufacture just for the new RS (due to wider front fender extentions), a new motor development would cost well over 1 MILLION DOLLARS.
So maybe you should do some research before making snide comments.
I guess VW and Bugatti must be a bunch of morons then. Why spend hundreds of millions of euros when all they had to do was slap on a twin turbo onto a Gallardo motor or a 997 Turbo motor right?
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