500 to 600hp - best path?
I know the exhaust can be pretty restrictive, but just exactly how restrictive is a boost hose? I see guys going to the SAMPCOs but until you get up around 600 HP, I'm not really convinced that the OEM hoses wont' be sufficient. For the Stage 1 setups it seems to be the spiffy colors and bling factor rather than a performance issue.
was a typo i meant inlet hoses fresh air to turbos
i would consider the billet k16's the UMW turbos 16g and the gt28 hybrids, but reguardless of which turbo you get upgrade the wastegates and go with a high quality boost controller like a profec B or a EVCR so on the event that you want to tone down the boost to make the car smoother you can.
if your gonna have the motor dropped then you can gain a bit of spool and flow up top by changing the restrictive stock boost hoses.
a 5 BAR FPR is plenty
a BMC air filter or dual snorkle intake box would also be a nice addition with larger inlet pipes.
porting the stock exhaust manifolds while they are out would be a good idea.
if your not having someone that is familiar with our cars (996tt) becareful on pushing the timing to make power.
if your gonna have the motor dropped then you can gain a bit of spool and flow up top by changing the restrictive stock boost hoses.
a 5 BAR FPR is plenty
a BMC air filter or dual snorkle intake box would also be a nice addition with larger inlet pipes.
porting the stock exhaust manifolds while they are out would be a good idea.
if your not having someone that is familiar with our cars (996tt) becareful on pushing the timing to make power.
Also to set the goal clear, I am not shooting at excessing 600 fhp anytime soon, above that hp area these cars start to change their roadracing character and at 650 and up it is kinda ***** out (I have worked on and raced a couple from 670 up to 850) but driving style has to change enough at that point that it won't benefit my practice as much as I want to.
Seems I am leaning towards a 16G due to extremely competitive pricing at this point but we'll see what they say re the billet.
Remember, anything that pushes near 600 fhp is going to make me very happy at this point.
Btw someone mentioned 95% duty cycle at full power on the injectors at this hp level, how's durability on that - just restricting to go for more power, or will it even become a problem?
Thx!!!
I know the exhaust can be pretty restrictive, but just exactly how restrictive is a boost hose? I see guys going to the SAMPCOs but until you get up around 600 HP, I'm not really convinced that the OEM hoses wont' be sufficient. For the Stage 1 setups it seems to be the spiffy colors and bling factor rather than a performance issue.
was a typo i meant inlet hoses fresh air to turbos
I wouldn't bother with or consider a boost controller. I personally think you're inviting trouble, and adding yet another level of complexity/failure. With UMW's setup and a few others, you let the OEM computer do the work and forget about it.
I'd also strongly consider intercoolers. My car loses power over the course of a warm summer day on track, even with X50 intercooler upgrade. I've talked to others who experience the same. Larger aftermarket intercoolers would certainly be a huge assist in this area!
As to the duty cycle question, I'm running between 93-95% and with the stock fuel system and a 5bar FPR over the last 2+ years of road course work, I've seen zero reliability issues. I don't think it's a concern, really.
I'm getting the GT2 conversion done as of this post, and hope to have my car back later this week so I can see how the upgraded trans, the LSD, and GT2 hydraulics work, along with the Porsche short shift kit all work together.
Mike
I'd also strongly consider intercoolers. My car loses power over the course of a warm summer day on track, even with X50 intercooler upgrade. I've talked to others who experience the same. Larger aftermarket intercoolers would certainly be a huge assist in this area!
As to the duty cycle question, I'm running between 93-95% and with the stock fuel system and a 5bar FPR over the last 2+ years of road course work, I've seen zero reliability issues. I don't think it's a concern, really.
I'm getting the GT2 conversion done as of this post, and hope to have my car back later this week so I can see how the upgraded trans, the LSD, and GT2 hydraulics work, along with the Porsche short shift kit all work together.
Mike
Last edited by Mikelly; Nov 29, 2009 at 04:56 AM.
I wouldn't bother with or consider a boost controller. I personally think you're inviting trouble, and adding yet another level of complexity/failure. With UMW's setup and a few others, you let the OEM computer do the work and forget about it.
I'd also strongly consider intercoolers. My car loses power over the course of a warm summer day on track, even with X50 intercooler upgrade. I've talked to others who experience the same. Larger aftermarket intercoolers would certainly be a huge assist in this area!
As to the duty cycle question, I'm running between 93-95% and with the stock fuel system and a 5bar FPR over the last 2+ years of road course work, I've seen zero reliability issues. I don't think it's a concern, really.
I'm getting the GT2 conversion done as of this post, and hope to have my car back later this week so I can see how the upgraded trans, the LSD, and GT2 hydraulics work, along with the Porsche short shift kit all work together.
Mike
I'd also strongly consider intercoolers. My car loses power over the course of a warm summer day on track, even with X50 intercooler upgrade. I've talked to others who experience the same. Larger aftermarket intercoolers would certainly be a huge assist in this area!
As to the duty cycle question, I'm running between 93-95% and with the stock fuel system and a 5bar FPR over the last 2+ years of road course work, I've seen zero reliability issues. I don't think it's a concern, really.
I'm getting the GT2 conversion done as of this post, and hope to have my car back later this week so I can see how the upgraded trans, the LSD, and GT2 hydraulics work, along with the Porsche short shift kit all work together.
Mike
As for ICs I was hoping a GT2/X50 IC upgrade would be sufficient in most cases.
CA and Nevada gets HOT in the summer. But say I go from 595 to 570hp on a really hot day, this is still ways better than running something like 500 or on a hot day 475.Your duty cycle / injector "testing" sounds like great verification of durability. No risk they are getting congested haha. I won't touch these.
The OEM shortshift is great (I have this), to me it feels much much more accurate than a normal 996 stick and much easier to go from 2nd to 3rd even in bumpy cornering situations which sometimes can ask for a tenth or two of extra patience. Only thing to mind is caring about the synchros when dailying the car.
What upgrades are you doing to the trans, expect LSD and slave conversion?
My UMW controller has five tunes I can choose from and I'm guessing I could go with more if I send it back to Kevin, along with some Durametric log files:
OEM Basefile
A TRUE Valet File
93 Octane 1.0Bar Performance File *(stock exhaust tuned)
93 Octane 1.2Bar Performance File *(Free Flow exhaust Tunes)
100 Octane 1.2Bar Performance File
We're going with the 997TT mainshaft 1/2/3 gears and steel syncros in 3/4/5. I've also had the cases tapped for plumbing for a heat exchanger I'll run next season.
You'll definitely want a better intercooler.
Mike
OEM Basefile
A TRUE Valet File
93 Octane 1.0Bar Performance File *(stock exhaust tuned)
93 Octane 1.2Bar Performance File *(Free Flow exhaust Tunes)
100 Octane 1.2Bar Performance File
We're going with the 997TT mainshaft 1/2/3 gears and steel syncros in 3/4/5. I've also had the cases tapped for plumbing for a heat exchanger I'll run next season.
You'll definitely want a better intercooler.
Mike
My UMW controller has five tunes I can choose from and I'm guessing I could go with more if I send it back to Kevin, along with some Durametric log files:
OEM Basefile
A TRUE Valet File
93 Octane 1.0Bar Performance File *(stock exhaust tuned)
93 Octane 1.2Bar Performance File *(Free Flow exhaust Tunes)
100 Octane 1.2Bar Performance File
We're going with the 997TT mainshaft 1/2/3 gears and steel syncros in 3/4/5. I've also had the cases tapped for plumbing for a heat exchanger I'll run next season.
You'll definitely want a better intercooler.
Mike
OEM Basefile
A TRUE Valet File
93 Octane 1.0Bar Performance File *(stock exhaust tuned)
93 Octane 1.2Bar Performance File *(Free Flow exhaust Tunes)
100 Octane 1.2Bar Performance File
We're going with the 997TT mainshaft 1/2/3 gears and steel syncros in 3/4/5. I've also had the cases tapped for plumbing for a heat exchanger I'll run next season.
You'll definitely want a better intercooler.
Mike
Oopps I get nightmares thinking about that heat exchanger... be sure you have zero tension and anchor the lines going into it as to not get any standing vibration frequencies causing the connecting pipes out of the exchanger to snap.
I just know that at the 24H last time, this "tap" broke and ended our race, and nobody was REALLY surprised, although the component was a mounted brand new and is supposed to last the lifetime of the car, several teams said "that happens sometimes". We'll it ain't fun. A disclaimer - I am NOT sure if that was the heat exhanger for ENGINE or GEARBOX that broke, don't even know if these cars have a heat exchanger for the engine oil... Do a little research to get a correct picture, just dropping some info about something I've seen.
I have as well K16/24 zero clearance from UMW witch i am very happy with, I have a 5.0 BAR , DV, an Fabspeed exaust , but i was able to get 570HP max on the dyno, My turner think my exaust is too restrictive.
So now i geting a new exaust 76mn with NO cat + Injecteurs + Intake from UMW, hope fully we should able to reach 600 plus HP. If not the cause will be the turbos, I will post the graph as soon the car is finished .
This is my old graph
So now i geting a new exaust 76mn with NO cat + Injecteurs + Intake from UMW, hope fully we should able to reach 600 plus HP. If not the cause will be the turbos, I will post the graph as soon the car is finished .
This is my old graph
I have as well K16/24 zero clearance from UMW witch i am very happy with, I have a 5.0 BAR , DV, an Fabspeed exaust , but i was able to get 570HP max on the dyno, My turner think my exaust is too restrictive.
So now i geting a new exaust 76mn with NO cat + Injecteurs + Intake from UMW, hope fully we should able to reach 600 plus HP. If not the cause will be the turbos, I will post the graph as soon the car is finished .
This is my old graph

So now i geting a new exaust 76mn with NO cat + Injecteurs + Intake from UMW, hope fully we should able to reach 600 plus HP. If not the cause will be the turbos, I will post the graph as soon the car is finished .
This is my old graph

do you have upgraded inlet pipes for fresh air to the turbos?
what boost pressure were you at?
stock intercoolers ?
Stock intercooler yes

Boost 1.2 BAR on 98 octane europeen gas

Inlet pipes not sure what it is , this is what i just installed




