New GT2 RS News: Nurburgring Time !
#76
Given a choice between the GT2RS and the CGT, I think the CGT would win out. That engine sound is just to magnificent to pass up. But the GT2RS would be a very close second.
#77
You were referring to the Suzuki controversy...
Sport Auto had the GT-R for the second time and did more then just a few laps. Furthermore, a good driver can get to 99% of a cars performance within a couple of laps (on a know circuit and Horst von Saurma knows the Nordschleife pretty well), especially if it's such an easy car to drive as the GT-R is.
The most part is the thousands of laps... Including stops, lunchbreak, etc. he can do about 50 laps in a day. Are you actually claiming that the GT-R, (after being released!) has been driven by Suzuki on the Ring on say 40 full days? WTF? The Suzuki time is more believable than that...
But it has been a lie. The GT-R (stock) is incapable to go round the Nordschleife in 7.26, period.
It is a quick car. But not as quick as some are claiming. It is hilaroius to read about all these people that are going round the Nordschleife in extremely fast BTG's. Much faster than I go round. But when I am there, I always go faster. I haven't seen one GT-R go faster, not even the one that have obviously been tuned. Of course, there will be someone faster, no doubt, but compared to the stories on the internet... reality differs. To be honest, my 996 turbo (8 years older than the GT-R) has had a tune and a Manthey suspension, Manthey brakes, PS Cups...
My point being: there is a lot of bull**** about this car on the internet. It a very good car, very cheap (but also looks cheap and Nissan isn't making money on it like VW isn't making money on the Bugatti), but it is not the greatest car in the world, not the fastest car in the world (and yes, this is claimed by lots of idiots). It is the quickest daily useable car you can buy for that money.
On all circuits? Or just on a couple of circuits? Furthermore, I always said that the double clutch gearbox is what makes the GT-R shine, so if one would compare these cars, they should get the PDK version.
No. They are used as a marketingtool. However, the Ring is saying something about the performance of a car. It is a large circuit with many different bends and griplevels that are more comparable to griplevels off circuit. If a car is fast on the Ring, it will be fast in all situations you're going to meet with your car.
You are aware that Porsche is using the Ringtimes for over a decade now and that nissan is the one that tried to steal Porsche's glory (with lies!)?
I think that since Ferrari apparently will be using the Ring for marketing purposes (with there ridiculous claim about the 599xx being the fasted production derived car around the Ring, driving on full slick!), Porsche and Ferrari will fight a battle that no Japanese manufacturer will be able to follow, let alone beat.
Porsche is raising the bar for Ferrari, not for Nissan. They were faster then Nissan already...
Sport Auto had the GT-R for the second time and did more then just a few laps. Furthermore, a good driver can get to 99% of a cars performance within a couple of laps (on a know circuit and Horst von Saurma knows the Nordschleife pretty well), especially if it's such an easy car to drive as the GT-R is.
The most part is the thousands of laps... Including stops, lunchbreak, etc. he can do about 50 laps in a day. Are you actually claiming that the GT-R, (after being released!) has been driven by Suzuki on the Ring on say 40 full days? WTF? The Suzuki time is more believable than that...
But it has been a lie. The GT-R (stock) is incapable to go round the Nordschleife in 7.26, period.
It is a quick car. But not as quick as some are claiming. It is hilaroius to read about all these people that are going round the Nordschleife in extremely fast BTG's. Much faster than I go round. But when I am there, I always go faster. I haven't seen one GT-R go faster, not even the one that have obviously been tuned. Of course, there will be someone faster, no doubt, but compared to the stories on the internet... reality differs. To be honest, my 996 turbo (8 years older than the GT-R) has had a tune and a Manthey suspension, Manthey brakes, PS Cups...
My point being: there is a lot of bull**** about this car on the internet. It a very good car, very cheap (but also looks cheap and Nissan isn't making money on it like VW isn't making money on the Bugatti), but it is not the greatest car in the world, not the fastest car in the world (and yes, this is claimed by lots of idiots). It is the quickest daily useable car you can buy for that money.
On all circuits? Or just on a couple of circuits? Furthermore, I always said that the double clutch gearbox is what makes the GT-R shine, so if one would compare these cars, they should get the PDK version.
No. They are used as a marketingtool. However, the Ring is saying something about the performance of a car. It is a large circuit with many different bends and griplevels that are more comparable to griplevels off circuit. If a car is fast on the Ring, it will be fast in all situations you're going to meet with your car.
You are aware that Porsche is using the Ringtimes for over a decade now and that nissan is the one that tried to steal Porsche's glory (with lies!)?
I think that since Ferrari apparently will be using the Ring for marketing purposes (with there ridiculous claim about the 599xx being the fasted production derived car around the Ring, driving on full slick!), Porsche and Ferrari will fight a battle that no Japanese manufacturer will be able to follow, let alone beat.
Porsche is raising the bar for Ferrari, not for Nissan. They were faster then Nissan already...
#78
You were referring to the Suzuki controversy...
Sport Auto had the GT-R for the second time and did more then just a few laps. Furthermore, a good driver can get to 99% of a cars performance within a couple of laps (on a know circuit and Horst von Saurma knows the Nordschleife pretty well), especially if it's such an easy car to drive as the GT-R is.
The most part is the thousands of laps... Including stops, lunchbreak, etc. he can do about 50 laps in a day. Are you actually claiming that the GT-R, (after being released!) has been driven by Suzuki on the Ring on say 40 full days? WTF? The Suzuki time is more believable than that...
But it has been a lie. The GT-R (stock) is incapable to go round the Nordschleife in 7.26, period.
It is a quick car. But not as quick as some are claiming. It is hilaroius to read about all these people that are going round the Nordschleife in extremely fast BTG's. Much faster than I go round. But when I am there, I always go faster. I haven't seen one GT-R go faster, not even the one that have obviously been tuned. Of course, there will be someone faster, no doubt, but compared to the stories on the internet... reality differs. To be honest, my 996 turbo (8 years older than the GT-R) has had a tune and a Manthey suspension, Manthey brakes, PS Cups...
My point being: there is a lot of bull**** about this car on the internet. It a very good car, very cheap (but also looks cheap and Nissan isn't making money on it like VW isn't making money on the Bugatti), but it is not the greatest car in the world, not the fastest car in the world (and yes, this is claimed by lots of idiots). It is the quickest daily useable car you can buy for that money.
On all circuits? Or just on a couple of circuits? Furthermore, I always said that the double clutch gearbox is what makes the GT-R shine, so if one would compare these cars, they should get the PDK version.
No. They are used as a marketingtool. However, the Ring is saying something about the performance of a car. It is a large circuit with many different bends and griplevels that are more comparable to griplevels off circuit. If a car is fast on the Ring, it will be fast in all situations you're going to meet with your car.
You are aware that Porsche is using the Ringtimes for over a decade now and that nissan is the one that tried to steal Porsche's glory (with lies!)?
I think that since Ferrari apparently will be using the Ring for marketing purposes (with there ridiculous claim about the 599xx being the fasted production derived car around the Ring, driving on full slick!), Porsche and Ferrari will fight a battle that no Japanese manufacturer will be able to follow, let alone beat.
Porsche is raising the bar for Ferrari, not for Nissan. They were faster then Nissan already...
Sport Auto had the GT-R for the second time and did more then just a few laps. Furthermore, a good driver can get to 99% of a cars performance within a couple of laps (on a know circuit and Horst von Saurma knows the Nordschleife pretty well), especially if it's such an easy car to drive as the GT-R is.
The most part is the thousands of laps... Including stops, lunchbreak, etc. he can do about 50 laps in a day. Are you actually claiming that the GT-R, (after being released!) has been driven by Suzuki on the Ring on say 40 full days? WTF? The Suzuki time is more believable than that...
But it has been a lie. The GT-R (stock) is incapable to go round the Nordschleife in 7.26, period.
It is a quick car. But not as quick as some are claiming. It is hilaroius to read about all these people that are going round the Nordschleife in extremely fast BTG's. Much faster than I go round. But when I am there, I always go faster. I haven't seen one GT-R go faster, not even the one that have obviously been tuned. Of course, there will be someone faster, no doubt, but compared to the stories on the internet... reality differs. To be honest, my 996 turbo (8 years older than the GT-R) has had a tune and a Manthey suspension, Manthey brakes, PS Cups...
My point being: there is a lot of bull**** about this car on the internet. It a very good car, very cheap (but also looks cheap and Nissan isn't making money on it like VW isn't making money on the Bugatti), but it is not the greatest car in the world, not the fastest car in the world (and yes, this is claimed by lots of idiots). It is the quickest daily useable car you can buy for that money.
On all circuits? Or just on a couple of circuits? Furthermore, I always said that the double clutch gearbox is what makes the GT-R shine, so if one would compare these cars, they should get the PDK version.
No. They are used as a marketingtool. However, the Ring is saying something about the performance of a car. It is a large circuit with many different bends and griplevels that are more comparable to griplevels off circuit. If a car is fast on the Ring, it will be fast in all situations you're going to meet with your car.
You are aware that Porsche is using the Ringtimes for over a decade now and that nissan is the one that tried to steal Porsche's glory (with lies!)?
I think that since Ferrari apparently will be using the Ring for marketing purposes (with there ridiculous claim about the 599xx being the fasted production derived car around the Ring, driving on full slick!), Porsche and Ferrari will fight a battle that no Japanese manufacturer will be able to follow, let alone beat.
Porsche is raising the bar for Ferrari, not for Nissan. They were faster then Nissan already...
#79
Nissan fixed the GTR only for the Ring lap time,marketing.You right,only radical GTR's fans think that it's true.
#80
You were referring to the Suzuki controversy...
Sport Auto had the GT-R for the second time and did more then just a few laps. Furthermore, a good driver can get to 99% of a cars performance within a couple of laps (on a know circuit and Horst von Saurma knows the Nordschleife pretty well), especially if it's such an easy car to drive as the GT-R is.
The most part is the thousands of laps... Including stops, lunchbreak, etc. he can do about 50 laps in a day. Are you actually claiming that the GT-R, (after being released!) has been driven by Suzuki on the Ring on say 40 full days? WTF? The Suzuki time is more believable than that...
But it has been a lie. The GT-R (stock) is incapable to go round the Nordschleife in 7.26, period.
It is a quick car. But not as quick as some are claiming. It is hilaroius to read about all these people that are going round the Nordschleife in extremely fast BTG's. Much faster than I go round. But when I am there, I always go faster. I haven't seen one GT-R go faster, not even the one that have obviously been tuned. Of course, there will be someone faster, no doubt, but compared to the stories on the internet... reality differs. To be honest, my 996 turbo (8 years older than the GT-R) has had a tune and a Manthey suspension, Manthey brakes, PS Cups...
My point being: there is a lot of bull**** about this car on the internet. It a very good car, very cheap (but also looks cheap and Nissan isn't making money on it like VW isn't making money on the Bugatti), but it is not the greatest car in the world, not the fastest car in the world (and yes, this is claimed by lots of idiots). It is the quickest daily useable car you can buy for that money.
On all circuits? Or just on a couple of circuits? Furthermore, I always said that the double clutch gearbox is what makes the GT-R shine, so if one would compare these cars, they should get the PDK version.
No. They are used as a marketingtool. However, the Ring is saying something about the performance of a car. It is a large circuit with many different bends and griplevels that are more comparable to griplevels off circuit. If a car is fast on the Ring, it will be fast in all situations you're going to meet with your car.
You are aware that Porsche is using the Ringtimes for over a decade now and that nissan is the one that tried to steal Porsche's glory (with lies!)?
I think that since Ferrari apparently will be using the Ring for marketing purposes (with there ridiculous claim about the 599xx being the fasted production derived car around the Ring, driving on full slick!), Porsche and Ferrari will fight a battle that no Japanese manufacturer will be able to follow, let alone beat.
Porsche is raising the bar for Ferrari, not for Nissan. They were faster then Nissan already...
Sport Auto had the GT-R for the second time and did more then just a few laps. Furthermore, a good driver can get to 99% of a cars performance within a couple of laps (on a know circuit and Horst von Saurma knows the Nordschleife pretty well), especially if it's such an easy car to drive as the GT-R is.
The most part is the thousands of laps... Including stops, lunchbreak, etc. he can do about 50 laps in a day. Are you actually claiming that the GT-R, (after being released!) has been driven by Suzuki on the Ring on say 40 full days? WTF? The Suzuki time is more believable than that...
But it has been a lie. The GT-R (stock) is incapable to go round the Nordschleife in 7.26, period.
It is a quick car. But not as quick as some are claiming. It is hilaroius to read about all these people that are going round the Nordschleife in extremely fast BTG's. Much faster than I go round. But when I am there, I always go faster. I haven't seen one GT-R go faster, not even the one that have obviously been tuned. Of course, there will be someone faster, no doubt, but compared to the stories on the internet... reality differs. To be honest, my 996 turbo (8 years older than the GT-R) has had a tune and a Manthey suspension, Manthey brakes, PS Cups...
My point being: there is a lot of bull**** about this car on the internet. It a very good car, very cheap (but also looks cheap and Nissan isn't making money on it like VW isn't making money on the Bugatti), but it is not the greatest car in the world, not the fastest car in the world (and yes, this is claimed by lots of idiots). It is the quickest daily useable car you can buy for that money.
On all circuits? Or just on a couple of circuits? Furthermore, I always said that the double clutch gearbox is what makes the GT-R shine, so if one would compare these cars, they should get the PDK version.
No. They are used as a marketingtool. However, the Ring is saying something about the performance of a car. It is a large circuit with many different bends and griplevels that are more comparable to griplevels off circuit. If a car is fast on the Ring, it will be fast in all situations you're going to meet with your car.
You are aware that Porsche is using the Ringtimes for over a decade now and that nissan is the one that tried to steal Porsche's glory (with lies!)?
I think that since Ferrari apparently will be using the Ring for marketing purposes (with there ridiculous claim about the 599xx being the fasted production derived car around the Ring, driving on full slick!), Porsche and Ferrari will fight a battle that no Japanese manufacturer will be able to follow, let alone beat.
Porsche is raising the bar for Ferrari, not for Nissan. They were faster then Nissan already...
The GT-R has started testing at the 'Ring back in '04. I'm sure you remember that, so it is more than possible that the track has been visited with the same driver well over 40 times.
I said that 'Ring times are nothing more than marketing tool. I didn't say anything about the 'Ring not being used for R&D. You've stated nothing relevant to the conversation (Porsche GT2RS 'Ring time).
I never said that Nissan would be able to compete with the GT2RS (actually I went as far as to say that NOBODY can compete with this time (with an actual street car)). I thought we were in agreement here, and didn't require any snobby remarks.
And as far as the GT-R's that aren't as fast you - what do you mean? The car drives itself, right? Something about a Playstation controller and such. It is easy to play video games, and since driving a GT-R is just like a video game, ALL of those GT-R's should be running 7:2x's. Either that, or it takes a skilled driver to break 8:00, and not some fancy computer.
As far as the 'lies' comment - you have absolutely NO evidence supporting your statement. Zero. Please drop the old fodder.
And the Porsche Turbo was already faster than Nissan? Either you're saying that, or you're once again comparing the GT2RS to the GT-R, which is wayyyy off-topic, and something Chris Harris would write about.
Exactly... All I did was mention just the SUGGESTION that it is VERY easy to dial in a extra .1bar. I did nothing to disclaim the time. I don't even question their time... I'm just surprised at the blind faith. That's all.
Of course, people who like Porsche as company will obviously say - "well, we should believe Porsche, because they've NEVER lied before about their 'Ring times."
And I'll remind them of the time that their own 'engineer' ran a 7:55 (or something like that), and said it was impossible for ANYBODY to get anything near Nissan's claimed 7:3x (at the time). And then Sport Auto gets a 7:38. So much for Porsche's word on 'Ring times...
Porsche uses them as a tool as well. That was as far as my point should've went. Not to some absurd extreme that Nissan is anywhere remotely close to competing with the GT2RS.
#82
Jaspr, I don't remember porsche complaining about the ACR running a fast lap time. The issue is the Nissans car defied the laws of physics on street tires. A big heavy car near the weight of an M5 beating most supercars, lol. If you still believe it is true than I am sure Nissan has some swamp land for you to buy.
#83
Jaspr, I don't remember porsche complaining about the ACR running a fast lap time. The issue is the Nissans car defied the laws of physics on street tires. A big heavy car near the weight of an M5 beating most supercars, lol. If you still believe it is true than I am sure Nissan has some swamp land for you to buy.
Again - let's throw away Nissan's 'claimed' times (because apparently this is extremely controversial).
Sport Auto:
Nissan GT-R 7:38
Porsche 996 911TT - 7:56
Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale - 7:56
Porsche 997 911T - 7:54
Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera - 7:46
Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano - 7:47
Corvette C6 Z06 - 7:49
Pagani Zonda S - 7:44
Porsche 996 GT2 - 7:46
etc, etc, etc...
So using 3rd party times with the same driver, I believe that Nissan did, in fact, create a car that weighs as much as an M5(which Sport Auto ran in 8:13), as tall as an M5, with the trunk of an M5, and make it faster than most supercars...
Where is this swamp land you speak of?
Please, guys, can we stay on topic? The GT2RS will blow ANY of these cars away... What I'm looking forward to is the constant (not the variable) - what can Sport Auto run... Obviously, it will not match Porsche's claimed time, but if it's close, it will be very exciting.
Last edited by jaspergtr; 05-14-2010 at 03:01 PM.
#85
But you weren't referring to the other ones, now were you?
Full days? I still doubt that, but I specifically stated "after being released". It isn't really helpfull that he also drove the GT-R prototypes, because it must have been different...
I wasn't referring to R&D. I was referring to the fact that as a buyer, I know how my sports car will do based on the Nordschleife time, because the Nordschleife has many different bends and griplevels that are more comparable to griplevels off circuit. That is why it's interesting for me as a buyer.
You came here with your remark which clearly referred to the Suzuki controversy. And now you are blaming me for this discussion?
You are reading things in my post that aren't there.
I think I was clear. When I read the internet claims, there are a lot of guys with just a couple of Nordschleife laps (or a lot, I don't care), that do sub-8 BTG's.
My simple question is: why aren't they there when I am there? Of course there is always someone faster, and with a tuned GT-R you can be faster than me, and no doubt, I will meet the faster one someday... but if there are so many, I should have met them already. Simple math really...
Simply put: there is a lot of bull**** on the internet about the GT-R. All I'm saying.
You will have a hard time finding a comment from me like that. It is a relatively easy car to get to the limits, though.
No, because it simply can't. It was a lie (not the time, but the GT-R being stock).
It takes some skill, of course. It is the Nordschleife!
I know the track. I know what is possible. But better still... the evidence is in print. A lot of drivers, very able, including Ringmeisters, have tried to get to the Suzuki time and they have failed. Von Saurma lost 12 seconds on the Suzuki time in perfect conditions. Von Saurma is much, much closer to Röhrl times, everytime. Röhrl is a former world champion and knows the Ring better than Suzuki. Von Saurma should lose less to Suzuki than to Röhrl. Von Saurma should be able to get within a second or two at most.
I was talking about proven times: Carrera GT, GT2, GT3RS... Porsche didn't have to prove they could be quicker than nissan, that was already proven!
I know for certain that I stated that you should just believe, but know that Von Saurma has never failed to come very close. With this in mind, I substracted those seconds from the claimed time. Which is noting more than an educated guess...
7:54 with a US GT-R. Nissan claimed 7:29.
Sport Auto times are not a full lap. You should add appr. 8 seconds. So 7:46 for Von Saurma on a perfect day for setting a great time (Von Saurma tried earlier that year with a US GT-R and got to (if I recall correctly) 7:50 + 8 sec. = 7:58, slower than Porsche at that time, although the track was slightly wet here and there... ).
Just to get the facts straight.
Of course they use these time as a marketing tool. They use the 0-100 km/h times, horsepower, whatever as a marketing tool as well...
The GT-R has started testing at the 'Ring back in '04. I'm sure you remember that, so it is more than possible that the track has been visited with the same driver well over 40 times.
I said that 'Ring times are nothing more than marketing tool. I didn't say anything about the 'Ring not being used for R&D.
You've stated nothing relevant to the conversation (Porsche GT2RS 'Ring time).
and didn't require any snobby remarks.
And as far as the GT-R's that aren't as fast you - what do you mean?
My simple question is: why aren't they there when I am there? Of course there is always someone faster, and with a tuned GT-R you can be faster than me, and no doubt, I will meet the faster one someday... but if there are so many, I should have met them already. Simple math really...
Simply put: there is a lot of bull**** on the internet about the GT-R. All I'm saying.
Something about a Playstation controller and such. It is easy to play video games, and since driving a GT-R is just like a video game,
ALL of those GT-R's should be running 7:2x's.
Either that, or it takes a skilled driver to break 8:00, and not some fancy computer.
As far as the 'lies' comment - you have absolutely NO evidence supporting your statement. Zero. Please drop the old fodder.
And the Porsche Turbo was already faster than Nissan? Either you're saying that, or you're once again comparing the GT2RS to the GT-R,
Of course, people who like Porsche as company will obviously say - "well, we should believe Porsche, because they've NEVER lied before about their 'Ring times."
And I'll remind them of the time that their own 'engineer' ran a 7:55 (or something like that), and said it was impossible for ANYBODY to get anything near Nissan's claimed 7:3x (at the time). And then Sport Auto gets a 7:38. So much for Porsche's word on 'Ring times...
Sport Auto times are not a full lap. You should add appr. 8 seconds. So 7:46 for Von Saurma on a perfect day for setting a great time (Von Saurma tried earlier that year with a US GT-R and got to (if I recall correctly) 7:50 + 8 sec. = 7:58, slower than Porsche at that time, although the track was slightly wet here and there... ).
Just to get the facts straight.
Porsche uses them as a tool as well.
#86
Jaspr, I don't remember porsche complaining about the ACR running a fast lap time. The issue is the Nissans car defied the laws of physics on street tires. A big heavy car near the weight of an M5 beating most supercars, lol. If you still believe it is true than I am sure Nissan has some swamp land for you to buy.
I take it all with a grain of salt. Just like the GT2RS time claimed by Porsche...
#87
The facts are a post above your's. See appropriate times for Porsche when compared to the GT-R.
No, I didn't bring up the Suzuki times... You read something that I didn't type. In fact, I believe it was you:
So why don't you drop it now?
No, I didn't bring up the Suzuki times... You read something that I didn't type. In fact, I believe it was you:
Originally Posted by DS1
But then that would still mean that the GT2RS will be over 15 seconds quicker (as opposed to the GT3RS that is 5 seconds quicker) than the GT-R, that never got close to the Toshio "driving chicane" Suzuki time.
#88
Try 2010 Porsches. Then the GT2RS will be faster. The GT2 is faster. I strongly believe that the Turbo and Turbo S with PDK will be faster. The GT3RS is faster. The GT3 lost 2 seconds in lesser conditions.
So basically, only the 911S and the regular 911 is slower. All other 911's are as fast, or faster.
Facts and educated guesses. If the Turbo PDK proves to be slower, I will bow for the GT-R. But I still won't want one...
No, I didn't bring up the Suzuki times... You read something that I didn't type.
Honestly...
So why don't you drop it now?
#89
You are comparing cars up to 10 years old, running on regular tires from 10 years ago, on a Ring which was then slower due to better asfalt on different sections nowadays to a GT-R on R-compound.
Try 2010 Porsches. Then the GT2RS will be faster. The GT2 is faster. I strongly believe that the Turbo and Turbo S with PDK will be faster. The GT3RS is faster. The GT3 lost 2 seconds in lesser conditions.
So basically, only the 911S and the regular 911 is slower. All other 911's are as fast, or faster.
Facts and educated guesses. If the Turbo PDK proves to be slower, I will bow for the GT-R. But I still won't want one...
Then what were you referring to when you stated that you should just believe this Porsche stated time?
Honestly...
Not yet...
Try 2010 Porsches. Then the GT2RS will be faster. The GT2 is faster. I strongly believe that the Turbo and Turbo S with PDK will be faster. The GT3RS is faster. The GT3 lost 2 seconds in lesser conditions.
So basically, only the 911S and the regular 911 is slower. All other 911's are as fast, or faster.
Facts and educated guesses. If the Turbo PDK proves to be slower, I will bow for the GT-R. But I still won't want one...
Then what were you referring to when you stated that you should just believe this Porsche stated time?
Honestly...
Not yet...
Those are the facts - no educated guesses...
And there you go again, trying to compare the GT-R to the GT2RS... Why cheapen the Porsche? Why don't you just let the GT2RS be the car that can't be compared to (as of now). That's the way I see it.
Are you really trying to compare the GT2RS to the GT-R?
If so, I think the GT2RS will win just about ANY competition against the GT-R. Do you disagree?
(I said almost, because without the right driver, and right conditions (wet, snow), the GT-R stands a chance)
*edit: I already explained my purpose of my statement that you asked about - if you'd like, I'll requote it for you. But to save us both the time and effort - I'll help you out, reread post #80.
Last edited by jaspergtr; 05-14-2010 at 05:08 PM.
#90
Don't forget the gt-r tires are quite special afaik...not quite stock street rubber. In them lies the secret I suspect....
My observations on the gt-r based on an N of 9 at tracks so far is that they really cannot handle a day at the track well. All have overheated. I suppose there are mods to fix that, but then you blow your warranty...., but these are low group type drivers not pushing too hard...and I am not talking brakes.
I personally could not afford the pads/tires/fluids on a gt-r...the 996TT in comparison is dirt cheap. I do like the tranny....but the evo X is nicer and the new golf R/audi units are nicer IMHO. PDK : have not tried it yet. I expect it is nice too.
Imagine this gt2-rs with PDK...never coming off boost.....add some rubber that is as close to R as the gt-r tires are close to R compound...just think about it....
Jeff
My observations on the gt-r based on an N of 9 at tracks so far is that they really cannot handle a day at the track well. All have overheated. I suppose there are mods to fix that, but then you blow your warranty...., but these are low group type drivers not pushing too hard...and I am not talking brakes.
I personally could not afford the pads/tires/fluids on a gt-r...the 996TT in comparison is dirt cheap. I do like the tranny....but the evo X is nicer and the new golf R/audi units are nicer IMHO. PDK : have not tried it yet. I expect it is nice too.
Imagine this gt2-rs with PDK...never coming off boost.....add some rubber that is as close to R as the gt-r tires are close to R compound...just think about it....
Jeff