K24 vs 24/18s - can you tell a clear difference?
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One thing that get's left out of these discussions is gearing and what happens to the Car and the Turbos when you are on a Road Course... I am never out of the boost at any Road Course I run at.. if you are a competent Race Car/Track day driver, you should know what gear you should be in at all times and in every corner you go through... As long as you have your Turbos on boost, then the argument over which one gets the jump is irrelevant..
If you are on a Road Course and you are significantly OUT of the boost, you are in the wrong gear my friend..
Another thing to think about is your shifting... The quicker/faster you can shift between gears, the less rpm's you lose, the less re-spooling the Turbos have to do and the faster you get back into the fat part of your boost curve. That's one area a short shifter helps.. it saves you precious tenths on the shifts (which saves time) AND it also means that the boost levels stay higher than when you are shifting slower.
If you are on a Road Course and you are significantly OUT of the boost, you are in the wrong gear my friend..
Another thing to think about is your shifting... The quicker/faster you can shift between gears, the less rpm's you lose, the less re-spooling the Turbos have to do and the faster you get back into the fat part of your boost curve. That's one area a short shifter helps.. it saves you precious tenths on the shifts (which saves time) AND it also means that the boost levels stay higher than when you are shifting slower.
As I stated, Bobby and Todd came up with those turbos. Long before you had any sort of a relationship with either of them.
Just like Bobby came up with the turbos that are currently on my car. The ones that you market as "yours". He came up with those long before you guys had a relationship.
My pointis, just because Bobby and Todd are now your business partners, doesn't mean you can or should start taking credit for their past accomplishments.
911tuning is doing good things, and putting out a good product. But implying that you came up with the K24/18G is about as accurate as claiming that you are the one that ran the 1/4 mile and 60-130 times in your signature.
Just like Bobby came up with the turbos that are currently on my car. The ones that you market as "yours". He came up with those long before you guys had a relationship.
My pointis, just because Bobby and Todd are now your business partners, doesn't mean you can or should start taking credit for their past accomplishments.
911tuning is doing good things, and putting out a good product. But implying that you came up with the K24/18G is about as accurate as claiming that you are the one that ran the 1/4 mile and 60-130 times in your signature.
Scott,
wow thats all I have to say
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Why are you Porsche guys still using old technology you need some hybrid electric VTG turbos like these. State of the art leaf blower technology with no lag, and they use dilithium crystals to cool the intake charge. Full boost below idle and they don't drop off at high rpm.
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man, you guys (scott n mark) must have some history...
I did the K24/18G upgrade awhile back (don't mind what eventually happened to my car), but I would seriously consider going with injectors either way you go. It's not that much more expensive when you consider the cost of the project, it's worth doing.
I did the K24/18G upgrade awhile back (don't mind what eventually happened to my car), but I would seriously consider going with injectors either way you go. It's not that much more expensive when you consider the cost of the project, it's worth doing.
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Now, that's good value. always wanted a kit2000 replica, myself.
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The minimal difference in lag is greatly outweighed by the performance increase.
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Same hardware> Dyno dynamics awd dyno
Hardware -- all stock exhaust except 18g.
k16 stock - 330 AWHP
k16 Flash - 400 AWHP 485 TQ
k16/16G - 460 AWHP 550 TQ
k24/18g - 510 AWHP , 530 TQ ( i added a milltek catless exhaust here)
k24/18g injectors - 510 awhp ...basically the same.
For the track i love the k24/18g's . k16/16g's are excellent turbo and are almost equal to 18g on the street until 100. I had two DE's with 16g's ...they were great too...but too much tq , super fast spool out of the turns..18g is very linear.
Hope this helps.
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I'm a bit confused...
There are some 6speeders that have dynoed 500+ whp with regular k24.....
At this point I don't see the difference between k24 and 18gs. Maybe the point is that k24s at 500 whp are working hard, and with standard fuel system you can't go higher than mid 500.
So if you don't upgrade fuel system and intake you will not see differencies between k24 and 18g..
Am I wrong? (I hope so...I don't want a k24 car to keep up with mine when I will do 18gs....eheh..)
There are some 6speeders that have dynoed 500+ whp with regular k24.....
At this point I don't see the difference between k24 and 18gs. Maybe the point is that k24s at 500 whp are working hard, and with standard fuel system you can't go higher than mid 500.
So if you don't upgrade fuel system and intake you will not see differencies between k24 and 18g..
Am I wrong? (I hope so...I don't want a k24 car to keep up with mine when I will do 18gs....eheh..)
I'm a bit confused...
There are some 6speeders that have dynoed 500+ whp with regular k24.....
At this point I don't see the difference between k24 and 18gs. Maybe the point is that k24s at 500 whp are working hard, and with standard fuel system you can't go higher than mid 500.
So if you don't upgrade fuel system and intake you will not see differencies between k24 and 18g..
Am I wrong? (I hope so...I don't want a k24 car to keep up with mine when I will do 18gs....eheh..)
There are some 6speeders that have dynoed 500+ whp with regular k24.....
At this point I don't see the difference between k24 and 18gs. Maybe the point is that k24s at 500 whp are working hard, and with standard fuel system you can't go higher than mid 500.
So if you don't upgrade fuel system and intake you will not see differencies between k24 and 18g..
Am I wrong? (I hope so...I don't want a k24 car to keep up with mine when I will do 18gs....eheh..)
