996 Turbo / GT2 Turbo discussion on previous model 2000-2005 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo and 911 GT2.

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Old Jun 4, 2010 | 01:00 PM
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The first 996 Turbo I test drove was a tip.

I thought it was a little crazy in automatic mode. I pinned the accelerator and got a down shift into 1st and quick shift into second. It was a little unnerving. I was only expecting second gear. This little maneuver made the salesman a little nervous to say the least.

I was impressed with the transmission overall, but found it lacking in driver involvement even in manual mode (given).

I have no regrets buying a 6 speed, but only use the car in low-traffic times and places. I'm also a good 35 years away from 60 years old. If you think you'd enjoy a tip more, go for it.
 
Old Jun 4, 2010 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr_jitsu
I want a true sports car, so 6 speed all the way baby....unless I had PDK.

Tip=18-20% parasitic drive train power loss and will need very expensive upgrades if you want to take advantage of what is truly special about these cars, the Metzger racing motor.

Finally, I want an engaging experience in my Porsche....autos are best left to Mercedes.

What is the price of a very good clutch for a 6 speed?
 
Old Jun 4, 2010 | 01:10 PM
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I'm willing to bet that many of these pro/con arguments are age related.
 
Old Jun 4, 2010 | 01:26 PM
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I believe it is more ego related. That's why one side always won because that side couldn't let it go.

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I'm willing to bet that many of these pro/con arguments are age related.
 
Old Jun 4, 2010 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Christian
Really, why are tip cars always quicker, you cannot shift manually as quick as a tip
Where did you get this idea? Top 11, only one a tip. And drag racing is the only place where a tip might have an advantage.

09.67 @ 149.8 – EVOMS / RWD
09.79 @ 146.4 - dk996tt / 997TT AWD
09.90 @ 149.1 - EVOMS / 997TT AWD
09.91 @ 145.6 - Markski / RWD
10.08 @ 148.8 - Powell / RWD
10.45 @ 146.8 - Divexxtreme / RWD
10.50 @ 140.6 - Joetwint / AWD
10.56 @ 135.X - Chris Green / RWD
10.57 @ 137.5 - VividRacingTX / RWD / Tiptronic
10.62 @ 132.5 - Sharky / AWD
10.65 @ 135.2 - TPCRacing / 997TT AWD


See any tips in the 60-130 standings?

4.25 - dk996tt / 997TT AWD / 1-shift (stock internals)
4.25 - art4iza / RWD / 0-shifts
4.54 - Keithta / 997TT AWD / 1-shift (stock internals)
4.62 - Markski / RWD / 2-shifts
4.67 - Divexxtreme / RWD 996TT / 2-shifts
4.81 - Joetwint / RWD / 2-shifts
4.85 - topgun / AWD / 2-shifts
4.89 - Powell / AWD / 1-shift (stock internals)
5.18 - Chris Green / RWD / 1-shift (stock internals)
5.23 - KPG / AWD / 1-shift
5.44 - gtovan / 997 GT2 / 1-shift (stock internals)
5.49 - Divexxtreme / GT2 / 2-shifts (stock internals)
5.55 - AtomicZ / GT2 / 1-shift (stock internals)
5.64 - EVOMS / RWD / 2-shifts
5.79 - Dr Jitsu / GT2 / 1-shift (stock internals)
5.85 - MBailey / RWD / 0-shifts (stock internals)
5.91 - bmoores / AWD / 1-shift (stock internals)
5.93 - OhioGT2 / GT2 / 1-shift (stock internals)
5.99 - ttboost / RWD / 1-shift (stock internals)
6.00 - Palette / AWD / 1-shift
6.04 - Vividracing / 997TT AWD / 2-shifts
6.15 - DMK / RWD / 0-shifts
6.26 - Chinitowest / AWD / 1-shift
6.32 - Skandalis447 / AWD / 1-shift
 

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Old Jun 4, 2010 | 02:04 PM
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Oh, how convenient. Just add the next one on the list and its a tip, ya big dummy.

6.33 VividracingTX TIPTRONIC

Originally Posted by Dr_jitsu
Where did you get this idea? Top 11, only one a tip. And drag racing is the only place where a tip might have an advantage.

09.67 @ 149.8 – EVOMS / RWD
09.79 @ 146.4 - dk996tt / 997TT AWD
09.90 @ 149.1 - EVOMS / 997TT AWD
09.91 @ 145.6 - Markski / RWD
10.08 @ 148.8 - Powell / RWD
10.45 @ 146.8 - Divexxtreme / RWD
10.50 @ 140.6 - Joetwint / AWD
10.56 @ 135.X - Chris Green / RWD
10.57 @ 137.5 - VividRacingTX / RWD / Tiptronic
10.62 @ 132.5 - Sharky / AWD
10.65 @ 135.2 - TPCRacing / 997TT AWD


See any tips in the 60-130 standings?

4.25 - dk996tt / 997TT AWD / 1-shift (stock internals)
4.25 - art4iza / RWD / 0-shifts
4.54 - Keithta / 997TT AWD / 1-shift (stock internals)
4.62 - Markski / RWD / 2-shifts
4.67 - Divexxtreme / RWD 996TT / 2-shifts
4.81 - Joetwint / RWD / 2-shifts
4.85 - topgun / AWD / 2-shifts
4.89 - Powell / AWD / 1-shift (stock internals)
5.18 - Chris Green / RWD / 1-shift (stock internals)
5.23 - KPG / AWD / 1-shift
5.44 - gtovan / 997 GT2 / 1-shift (stock internals)
5.49 - Divexxtreme / GT2 / 2-shifts (stock internals)
5.55 - AtomicZ / GT2 / 1-shift (stock internals)
5.64 - EVOMS / RWD / 2-shifts
5.79 - Dr Jitsu / GT2 / 1-shift (stock internals)
5.85 - MBailey / RWD / 0-shifts (stock internals)
5.91 - bmoores / AWD / 1-shift (stock internals)
5.93 - OhioGT2 / GT2 / 1-shift (stock internals)
5.99 - ttboost / RWD / 1-shift (stock internals)
6.00 - Palette / AWD / 1-shift
6.04 - Vividracing / 997TT AWD / 2-shifts
6.15 - DMK / RWD / 0-shifts
6.26 - Chinitowest / AWD / 1-shift
6.32 - Skandalis447 / AWD / 1-shift
 
Old Jun 4, 2010 | 02:04 PM
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Nice new avatar BTW Jitz..
 
Old Jun 4, 2010 | 02:25 PM
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No go for the new avatar jitsu,old one much better. I nearly purchased a tip but my wife already has a car.
 
Old Jun 4, 2010 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by VividRacingTX
Oh, how convenient. Just add the next one on the list and its a tip, ya big dummy.

6.33 VividracingTX TIPTRONIC

Nothing gets by you, Tippy Toddimus.
 
Old Jun 4, 2010 | 04:04 PM
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OP, Im about half your age and I bought a tip for the simple fact that I didnt care to mess with a stick in Chicago construction traffic. Also I know I am not the best shifter, I would rather just punch and go. No need to worry about down shifting, second gear pop out, clutch, or over rev.

Jitsu- I respect your view of the 6 speed cars being a better experience. However your logic by displaying 6speedonline comparison numbers to prove performance of the 6speed cars are superior to the tiptronics is flawed since there is a disproportionate number of highly modded 6 speed cars vs tips out there. I really would like to see two cars with equal mods one being a tip and the other 6 speed. I think the tip will win since it never out of boost between shift...at least not with the A28s. I would love to see a race with a 800rwhp tip vs 800rwhp 6speed...that would be far more interesting of a race then a 996 vs GTR.
 
Old Jun 4, 2010 | 04:34 PM
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Do we really need this... again!? There has been some good points made from both sides! Here's the bottom line... At 484.7 awhp & 529 awtq I don't really want to take my hands off the steering wheel to shift... every second or two! On the other hand... a 6 speed can take more torque & hp then a tip... unless the tips been modded!
 
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That's what forum's are for, you can share your..... opinion with everyone else! : )
 
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Again... and again... and again!
 
Old Jun 4, 2010 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr_jitsu
Where did you get this idea? Top 11, only one a tip. And drag racing is the only place where a tip might have an advantage.

09.67 @ 149.8 – EVOMS / RWD
09.79 @ 146.4 - dk996tt / 997TT AWD
09.90 @ 149.1 - EVOMS / 997TT AWD
09.91 @ 145.6 - Markski / RWD
10.08 @ 148.8 - Powell / RWD
10.45 @ 146.8 - Divexxtreme / RWD
10.50 @ 140.6 - Joetwint / AWD
10.56 @ 135.X - Chris Green / RWD
10.57 @ 137.5 - VividRacingTX / RWD / Tiptronic
10.62 @ 132.5 - Sharky / AWD
10.65 @ 135.2 - TPCRacing / 997TT AWD


See any tips in the 60-130 standings?

4.25 - dk996tt / 997TT AWD / 1-shift (stock internals)
4.25 - art4iza / RWD / 0-shifts
4.54 - Keithta / 997TT AWD / 1-shift (stock internals)
4.62 - Markski / RWD / 2-shifts
4.67 - Divexxtreme / RWD 996TT / 2-shifts
4.81 - Joetwint / RWD / 2-shifts
4.85 - topgun / AWD / 2-shifts
4.89 - Powell / AWD / 1-shift (stock internals)
5.18 - Chris Green / RWD / 1-shift (stock internals)
5.23 - KPG / AWD / 1-shift
5.44 - gtovan / 997 GT2 / 1-shift (stock internals)
5.49 - Divexxtreme / GT2 / 2-shifts (stock internals)
5.55 - AtomicZ / GT2 / 1-shift (stock internals)
5.64 - EVOMS / RWD / 2-shifts
5.79 - Dr Jitsu / GT2 / 1-shift (stock internals)
5.85 - MBailey / RWD / 0-shifts (stock internals)
5.91 - bmoores / AWD / 1-shift (stock internals)
5.93 - OhioGT2 / GT2 / 1-shift (stock internals)
5.99 - ttboost / RWD / 1-shift (stock internals)
6.00 - Palette / AWD / 1-shift
6.04 - Vividracing / 997TT AWD / 2-shifts
6.15 - DMK / RWD / 0-shifts
6.26 - Chinitowest / AWD / 1-shift
6.32 - Skandalis447 / AWD / 1-shift
This list means nothing. Same driver, same car weight, same mods the tip will win everytime unless its on a course where the 911 belongs.
 
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