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Old Jul 21, 2011 | 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI@911tuning
Here is our kit with A28s, injectors, ICs,intake, headers, exhaust,dvs,hoses.
add a EBC if you like to control the boost for different fuels and done...
How about to use this setup with stock IC's and meth/water injection?

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Originally Posted by besiktas
How about to use this setup with stock IC's and meth/water injection?

Thanks.
I was never a fan of meth injection( yet one of cars has it)... but why mess with kits that often leak, you always have to watch it.... seen cars with them on and tunes not liking them.... I mean, how many guys have them, never have issues, do not have to worry when something goes wrong because the installer and or tuner is in their town and willing to look /fix the issue? etc etc... not bashing it but honestly... put on some GOOD ICs and call it a day.. same result and in the end probably cheaper... trust me...
 
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Old Jul 22, 2011 | 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI@911tuning
I was never a fan of meth injection( yet one of cars has it)... but why mess with kits that often leak, you always have to watch it.... seen cars with them on and tunes not liking them.... I mean, how many guys have them, never have issues, do not have to worry when something goes wrong because the installer and or tuner is in their town and willing to look /fix the issue? etc etc... not bashing it but honestly... put on some GOOD ICs and call it a day.. same result and in the end probably cheaper... trust me...
I have the meth injection on my 997tt and we have at least 5-6 porsche turbos here with it. I broke the world tiptronic record, one broke the world VTG record. We haven't had one single problem. Actually, I'm a big fan of meth based on what I've seen. It's the first thing we've ever recommend to our friends who got a turbo car. Easy gains.. I have Proto 4,5 IC's and my friends have Switzer Monster IC's, Champion IC's etc... The difference at AIT with meth injection on vs off is way bigger than the stock IC's vs these IC's to say the least.. We have tested several cars and see the result ourselves.. And also increased octane level wouldn't hurt, especially on crappy 91 octane
 

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Old Jul 22, 2011 | 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by besiktas
I have the meth injection on my 997tt and we have at least 5-6 porsche turbos here with it. I broke the world tiptronic record, one broke the world VTG record. We haven't had one single problem. Actually, I'm a big fan of meth based on what I've seen. It's the first thing we've ever recommend to our friends who got a turbo car. Easy gains.. I have Proto 4,5 IC's and my friends have Switzer Monster IC's, Champion IC's etc... The difference at AIT with meth injection on vs off is way bigger than the stock IC's vs these IC's to say the least.. We have tested several cars and see the result ourselves.. And also increased octane level wouldn't hurt, especially on crappy 91 octane

then it looks like you have it figured out... that is the key.... especially the kit and the tune working together... BTW, 997s are a little different from 996s especially when it comes to turbos... and the heat they produce... but imagine a owner sends a car to another part of the country to get the kit installed... tuned etc... he gets the car back and 3 months later he has a leak and the car is not running right.... going into limp mode etc.... what does he do then? the local P car dealer will not fix it... I have seen this scenario locally twice... btw $1500 one way to ship the car to the installer... so it works great when it does... and or if you can do the work yourself... if not and something goes wrong then your in for big hidden costs not factored in initially. Im looking at it from a practical point of view of a owner with minimal wrenching experience who wants a turn key approach and is not trying to beat world records... otherwise you will be like us - 6" ICs, meth, Tilton triple carbon clutch, rwd, custom 17" wheels, 3 sets of turbos, etc...
 
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Originally Posted by MBailey
I think 20% DT loss is a reasonable estimate. However, 650/520 = 1.25 which is a 25% loss. The whp for a 20% loss on 650 crank would be closer to 542 whp, imo.
Your math is flawed. 650 crank times 20% loss equals a 130hp loss, subtracted from 650 equals 520 whp. The loss is 20%, not 25. If you have 520 hp to start and you increase it by 25% then you would end up with 650hp.
 

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Ive decided to take the advice ive got from everyone, so now car wont have 5bar, will have 60lb injectors. What boost will i be able to run safely and what power? Tia.

Im only about 2 weeks off it now
 
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Originally Posted by Mpsuk
Ive decided to take the advice ive got from everyone, so now car wont have 5bar, will have 60lb injectors. What boost will i be able to run safely and what power? Tia.

Im only about 2 weeks off it now

I would strongly suggest doing the inlet piping while there doing the new turbo's and clutch, quicker spooling. Ask me how I know
 
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Markski...

What about k24/20g on a 5bar w/Flash for pump gas; would this be safe..how much pwr would I make and what's the most boost I could run w/any issues?
 
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I would strongly suggest doing the inlet piping while there doing the new turbo's and clutch, quicker spooling. Ask me how I know
Totally agree with this... pipes are about $1000... if I knew this I would have done it before with injectors.

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Originally Posted by aroonkl
-DIY 5-6hrs for inj. If you are not pretty handy, get the shop to do it.
-Blow throu maf uses Ford maf and relocates maf from right after Filter to be at Y-pipe. Around $3K+ tune.
-If your application is not 650+whp, for less hassle you could use Hitachi maf instead of stock maf. It could read lot more range than stock oe and no blow-up.

Are you saying it costs 3k to switch ONLY the maf?
 
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Originally Posted by Mpsuk
Ive decided to take the advice ive got from everyone, so now car wont have 5bar, will have 60lb injectors. What boost will i be able to run safely and what power? Tia.

Im only about 2 weeks off it now
HI,I was told by the tuner I used,who sold me the injectors also,,,That the 72lb Bosch were better all around then the Current type 60lb ones out now??...Good Luck...
 
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HI,I was told by the tuner I used,who sold me the injectors also,,,That the 72lb Bosch were better all around then the Current type 60lb ones out now??...Good Luck...
depends which 60 lbs... but generally true... however they are also considerably more money....
 
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Should i try and source a base file for my setup in order to drive to my tuning shop?
 
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Originally Posted by vntperformance
Markski...

What about k24/20g on a 5bar w/Flash for pump gas; would this be safe..how much pwr would I make and what's the most boost I could run w/any issues?
Bad idea. You need Injectors. It will be laggy too unless you do the piping to turbos.
 
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At least with injectors you have a base to build on. Just do injectors and turbos if you have budget constraints.... it's a great start
 

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