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X50 @ ~540 P, want 650 - how to get there without ton's of green?

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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by OS Inspector

just trying to educate people that a 5bar works but if you push that line there are expensive consequences.
Absolutely...I agree with this.

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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 08:43 PM
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these are not my words but check out this info:

The flow from the fuel pump drops off at 5000 RPM's with a 5bar. This means that the injectors go into a fury/high duty cycle to cover the target AFR.

If your stock K24's are running the injectors at 95% duty cycle, at 1.1 to 1.2 bars >>>> how can you think that K24/18G have anything left? 1bar or 1.1bar at 105% duty cycle??????
Doesn't make sense...

Both failures are K24/18G 5 bar systems.

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...e-failure.html

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...-my-motor.html



500$ injectors and some labor is sure cheaper then 20-30k and not driving your car for a year (me)
 
Old Oct 10, 2010 | 09:16 PM
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Wow,

Those are quite nasty.

Markski told me not to run it past .8bar let alone 1.2-1.3!

I am working with him on a setup now. Should be interesting.
 
Old Oct 11, 2010 | 10:41 AM
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K24/18Gs, #72 Injectors, EPL Tune will get you around 550whp if you want more add on intercoolers, Aquamist, Inlet Pipes, and Straight Pipes
 
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Originally Posted by ☣MUSCLE☣
Wow,

Those are quite nasty.

Markski told me not to run it past .8bar let alone 1.2-1.3!

I am working with him on a setup now. Should be interesting.

I purchased a 2002 turbo with K16's and a Giac flash. Last night I saw 1.1 bar on stock turbos. I do not know if the car has stock injectors, or upgrades such as injectors or a 5 bar kit. Am I fine with the stock injectors?
 

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GSXR1074, love the screename. I've got a GSXR too but it's not stroked like yours is. It sounds like you may have a flash since you're seeing 1.1 bar. Even if you do have a flash, you should be fine with stock K16s a stock fpr and injectors.
 
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since i'm using the k24/18g with 5bar fbr .. i would not recommend to go with it coz my car is going away over injector duty cycle when i boost up over 1 bar.
 
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Originally Posted by OS Inspector
these are not my words but check out this info:

The flow from the fuel pump drops off at 5000 RPM's with a 5bar. This means that the injectors go into a fury/high duty cycle to cover the target AFR.

If your stock K24's are running the injectors at 95% duty cycle, at 1.1 to 1.2 bars >>>> how can you think that K24/18G have anything left? 1bar or 1.1bar at 105% duty cycle??????
Doesn't make sense...

Both failures are K24/18G 5 bar systems.

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...e-failure.html

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...-my-motor.html



500$ injectors and some labor is sure cheaper then 20-30k and not driving your car for a year (me)

That 2nd link was my car. Every car is different, the miles, "type" of miles put on the car etc... but blown motors aren't cheap to repair, so given the money you are looking at right now to upgrade to 18G with supporting mods, the injectors are a no brainer imo. $500 to $700 for injectors. If you decide to skip the injectors, you will be limited to running lower boost. With injectors and some race gas, difference will be night & day and will be so much more worth it. btw, even with injectors, I would only run higher boost on race gas. just my opinion.
 
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Originally Posted by Kai@ELITEMS
K24/18Gs, #72 Injectors, EPL Tune will get you around 550whp if you want more add on intercoolers, Aquamist, Inlet Pipes, and Straight Pipes
+1 Relatively cheap and safe...
 
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What were your X50 mods that took you from 450 to 540 HP?

Any issues?

Thanks.
 
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Originally Posted by Supercollider
What's the next thing to do to gain another 100 HP? New turbos to replace the K24s I imagine and some more fuel.

Suggestions? I've reached out to my tuner, but wanted to see what the forum has to say.
If you have a X50 then you need Markski @ 911Tuning. He is the KING of K24s and lots of HP for little $.

It goes something like this,
Stock K24's to 18g's
5 bar FPR
BMC filter
ECU tune ( he does protomotive )
Exhaust ( his 3" or something like it )
New DVs


Good luck.
 

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