Tiptronic limits
#1
11-01-2010, 07:40 PM
Tiptronic limits
Looking for 600-650 Crank HP & 500 RWHP. Iv got K24's in the mail. Gonna do 24/18 upgrade. Gonna do 2.5-3 inch exhaust, tune, extrude hone or ported headers, and 5 bar FPR to start. At some later point i will do IC's, boost hoses and injectors. Already have evo intake. What sort of mods should i be thinking about for the stock tiptronic and who is doing these mods? I wont be on the track or strip. Its purely for my enjoyment and to put the mustangs, camaros and vettes to rest.
#2
11-01-2010, 07:43 PM
Looking for 600-650 Crank HP & 500 RWHP. Iv got K24's in the mail. Gonna do 24/18 upgrade. Gonna do 2.5-3 inch exhaust, tune, extrude hone or ported headers, and 5 bar FPR to start. At some later point i will do IC's, boost hoses and injectors. Already have evo intake. What sort of mods should i be thinking about for the stock tiptronic and who is doing these mods? I wont be on the track or strip. Its purely for my enjoyment and to put the mustangs, camaros and vettes to rest.
There is another source to get the parts only if you have someone capable to install them.
Also, I have a 5bar FPR that I bought last week in the classifieds here for 75 dollars last week. Ill sell it to you for the same if you want it. I'm giving up on my build because I don't want to get into tiptronic tranny re-building.
#3
11-01-2010, 07:58 PM
I've the k24/18g,5 bar fpr setup its not enough u have to change ur injectors to take benefits .. when i run more than 1 bar it lean out coz of the lack of stock fuel sys.
Go straight and change ur injectors.
Go straight and change ur injectors.
#5
11-01-2010, 08:32 PM
Looking for 600-650 Crank HP & 500 RWHP. Iv got K24's in the mail. Gonna do 24/18 upgrade. Gonna do 2.5-3 inch exhaust, tune, extrude hone or ported headers, and 5 bar FPR to start. At some later point i will do IC's, boost hoses and injectors. Already have evo intake. What sort of mods should i be thinking about for the stock tiptronic and who is doing these mods? I wont be on the track or strip. Its purely for my enjoyment and to put the mustangs, camaros and vettes to rest.
K24/18g's w/upgraded WG's
Clip turbine <--- it is $200 cheap and tricky option
Proto reflash
Greddy boost control
Diverter vales
Injectors w/fuel rail
Keep ur stock FPR it should be fine
Do u have old or new EVOMS intake??
BTW...I heard Akram ( Protomotive dealer ) in Houston offer rebuild/reinforce tip tranny also
Last edited by Shotcaller; 11-01-2010 at 08:36 PM.
#7
11-02-2010, 06:26 AM
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Markski at 911Tuning is the King of this upgrade on 6speed. Check out his web site.
Todd at Vivid ran a Tip w/ some big HP too.
Todd at Vivid ran a Tip w/ some big HP too.
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#8
11-02-2010, 06:45 AM
I'm no longer "at vivid" Craig. I wouldn't get anything bigger than 16/16gs on a tip unless you want continuous problems from your tranny. Just now worth it, IMO.
#9
11-02-2010, 07:23 AM
No, the tip is much weaker than the stock 6 speed.
I'm trying to save you a ton of money and wasted down time in a shop by just sticking with 16/16's, injectors, exhaust and tune. Edit: also, IC's, DV's and upgraded boost hoses.
I made 500whp/525tq on that set up. Plenty for a tip. Spend the other money on PSS10's, links and sway bars (front and back).
If you are power hungry, you'll be ultimately disappointed in the tips weakness.
I'm trying to save you a ton of money and wasted down time in a shop by just sticking with 16/16's, injectors, exhaust and tune. Edit: also, IC's, DV's and upgraded boost hoses.
I made 500whp/525tq on that set up. Plenty for a tip. Spend the other money on PSS10's, links and sway bars (front and back).
If you are power hungry, you'll be ultimately disappointed in the tips weakness.
im having to use different screen name as my other wont let me reply. Yeh i have looked at all the tuner sites and have talked with mark some. he has been a wealth of knowledge! i have the old evoms intake. id like to stay away from the package deals. seems very expensive and im gonna try to piece most of my parts together used and save some cash. obviously il take the upgrade and tune package. i may just go with injectors VS the FPR. it almost seems like a toss up but in long run all seem happier with injectors.
Todd, seems like the tip would be stronger than the stock 6 speed. if i do 16G's can i/should i do IC's and FPR with exhaust. i just dont want to run a ton of boost and really stress the internals. i dont plan on maxing out the 24/18's. what sort of tranny issues did you have and what upgrades did you have to do. i can go to akram in houston. i dont mind throwing $2500 or so at the tranny. im just trying to put all my thoughts together before i really start doing mods.
Todd, seems like the tip would be stronger than the stock 6 speed. if i do 16G's can i/should i do IC's and FPR with exhaust. i just dont want to run a ton of boost and really stress the internals. i dont plan on maxing out the 24/18's. what sort of tranny issues did you have and what upgrades did you have to do. i can go to akram in houston. i dont mind throwing $2500 or so at the tranny. im just trying to put all my thoughts together before i really start doing mods.
Last edited by BlackHorseTurbo; 11-02-2010 at 07:27 AM.
#10
11-02-2010, 07:45 AM
At that power level, I don't think you need to waste time($$$) on headers or hoses. I don't think you'd need to worry about the Tip, either. I was told that the Tip can handle 24/18Gs with supporting mods, and still be pretty solid. Anything past that and you may be waiting on a boom. I should add that Todd knows more about the Tip's capabilities than anyone I know.
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11-02-2010, 07:59 AM
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#12
11-02-2010, 08:21 AM
No, the tip is much weaker than the stock 6 speed.
I'm trying to save you a ton of money and wasted down time in a shop by just sticking with 16/16's, injectors, exhaust and tune. Edit: also, IC's, DV's and upgraded boost hoses.
I made 500whp/525tq on that set up. Plenty for a tip. Spend the other money on PSS10's, links and sway bars (front and back).
If you are power hungry, you'll be ultimately disappointed in the tips weakness.
I'm trying to save you a ton of money and wasted down time in a shop by just sticking with 16/16's, injectors, exhaust and tune. Edit: also, IC's, DV's and upgraded boost hoses.
I made 500whp/525tq on that set up. Plenty for a tip. Spend the other money on PSS10's, links and sway bars (front and back).
If you are power hungry, you'll be ultimately disappointed in the tips weakness.
The tip can handle either a heavily modded 16G or a lightly modded 18G or if you upgrade the tip, it can handle just about anything. A big disadvantage of the tiptronic is there are no "partial" upgrades such as a new clutch or flywheel for a grand or two...its nothing or the whole package and its $6k.
Although I think we should be able to upgrade our clutch packs (having the parts machined to fit more) without upgrading the valve bodies (although I am sure anyone who upgrades the clutch packs wants the quicker shifts from the modified valve bodies) which could drive the price down.
Having done just what BHT is talking about, I would just do what he says...16G and call it a day.
#13
11-02-2010, 08:31 AM
At that power level, I don't think you need to waste time($$$) on headers or hoses. I don't think you'd need to worry about the Tip, either. I was told that the Tip can handle 24/18Gs with supporting mods, and still be pretty solid. Anything past that and you may be waiting on a boom. I should add that Todd knows more about the Tip's capabilities than anyone I know.
Last edited by BlackHorseTurbo; 11-02-2010 at 08:38 AM.
#14
11-02-2010, 08:36 AM
Ben,
Tranny for tranny the 6 speed is stronger in the 996TT. Now, the clutch on the six speed is not strong enough to handle 550/550. Replacing the clutch is an easier, more accessible and less expensive and more proven option than anything you can do to a tip as of right now.
I loved my tip, but the more I threw at it, the more frustrating it got. I was not happy with dialing my boost back just so my tranny wouldn't blow again.
Tranny for tranny the 6 speed is stronger in the 996TT. Now, the clutch on the six speed is not strong enough to handle 550/550. Replacing the clutch is an easier, more accessible and less expensive and more proven option than anything you can do to a tip as of right now.
I loved my tip, but the more I threw at it, the more frustrating it got. I was not happy with dialing my boost back just so my tranny wouldn't blow again.
How is the tip much weaker than the STOCK 6speed? a Tip can easily handle a well modded 16G car while a fully stock 6-speed will not.
The tip can handle either a heavily modded 16G or a lightly modded 18G or if you upgrade the tip, it can handle just about anything. A big disadvantage of the tiptronic is there are no "partial" upgrades such as a new clutch or flywheel for a grand or two...its nothing or the whole package and its $6k.
Although I think we should be able to upgrade our clutch packs (having the parts machined to fit more) without upgrading the valve bodies (although I am sure anyone who upgrades the clutch packs wants the quicker shifts from the modified valve bodies) which could drive the price down.
Having done just what BHT is talking about, I would just do what he says...16G and call it a day.
The tip can handle either a heavily modded 16G or a lightly modded 18G or if you upgrade the tip, it can handle just about anything. A big disadvantage of the tiptronic is there are no "partial" upgrades such as a new clutch or flywheel for a grand or two...its nothing or the whole package and its $6k.
Although I think we should be able to upgrade our clutch packs (having the parts machined to fit more) without upgrading the valve bodies (although I am sure anyone who upgrades the clutch packs wants the quicker shifts from the modified valve bodies) which could drive the price down.
Having done just what BHT is talking about, I would just do what he says...16G and call it a day.