daily driveable? and if so where do I get one, and what is needed? Thanks.

 

The clutch is the clutch and the Stage 3 is a pretty aggressive clutch. The GT2 conversion may help, but it's still not going to be anything like stock and I would venture to say your Daily commute will take a lot more effort.

You will probably need to do the GT2 conversion at some point because the clamping force of the Stage 3 is so strong it will overwhelm the hydrualics. My accumulator is going so I'm about to have to do it myself. (My accumulator has about 500 miles on it mind you).

 

the GT2 conversions makes it less "daily driveable" in the pure definition as it takes away the hydraulic assist of accumulator, making it harder to puch the clutch in.

The first time I depressed the clutch after the change, I thought there was no way I'd like it as it is very different. after about one whole day, I completely forgot what the old one felt like and I don't consider it "difficult" to depress, just more "engaged."

As Heavy said, the clamping force of the new clutch will cause your acumulator and slave to commit suicide. Change it out now and enjoy it!

 

I just did the Stg3 Clutchmasters clutch and kept my stock accumulator.

I was also pondering doing the gt2 change over but was convinced otherweise.

My pedal is harder to push in by about 25% over stock.

Its not THAT bad at all and it CAN be daily driven.

The GT2 change over will be harder to daily drive and take longer to get used to.

 

It sounds like the new one will cause failure eventually??

 

It depends on what your "daily drive" consists of - If it's constant stop and go traffic, the GT2 conversion would be a lot of work. If it's country roads, highway with some city, the GT2 is fine. IMO, the GT2 conversion is better in every way, except, if you are holding the clutch in constantly due to heavy traffic.

 

I spoke with a few vendors when deciding to do or not do the gt2 conversion and all of them said that the stock accumulator wont necessarily go bad that quickly.

But my car only had 19k miles on it and previously had the original clutch so my accumulator was fairly new.

I am not sure if it causes extra wear on the stock accumulator but I was told that my stock accumulator should last for a while, so I figured when it goes bad I will probably get another stock one.

I personally didn't want a tough clutch engagement.

 

the GT2 conversion made my car a better DD, by making the clutch engagement point more distinct. The car is a joy to drive now..This is seriously one of the best things you can do with the 996tt.

Tom

 

dr if you're not too far come down and you can try it but stage 3 cm w/ lwfw and gt2 conversion is not soft at all stop and go traffic not fun

 

I agree 100% - the clutch was the one flaw I noticed the day I picked my car up when new - I tried for 3 years to get used to it, then decided to experiment with a non-assisted conversion. I was so pleased with the result and after a few years, still love it!

 

I'm a recent convert in my 997TT. Had the GT2 slave installed along with a Stage 3 Sachs. Engagement is much closer to the floor (more a result of the new clutch rather than the slave), which I actually prefer as the stock setup was way too high and frankly, annoying. Take up was vague.

First time I hopped into the car after the conversion, I shat myself thinking I was going to stall 20 times before I ever made it out of the parking lot and would never get used to it. Well, I never stalled and after the bits warmed up (either that, or I got used to it very quickly), it was fantastic!

Being that my DD is a 6 speed Audi with a soft clutch, each time I get into the TT (which unfortunately isn't very often), it's Groundhog's Day: I think "Damn, this is a firm pedal". But after a while, it's great again. I think if I drove it more often, it would really become second nature.

If you're going to have the trans out anyway for the clutch, I would highly recommend the slave at the same time unless you have a really weak left leg and/or you're routinely stuck in bumper-to-bumper traffic.

 

let me help you with this ....... the answer is yes. end of story. i wish i had posted this same very question before i put my cm stage 3 clutch on. anyway just today i put an order in for evoms gt2 conversion kit. i hate, hate the hydraulic assist with the cm stage 3 clutch. you have zero idea where the engagement point is and you'll end up riding the clutch to get a car started on an incline.

 

You can wait until it fails and your clutch pedal becomes rock solid, but based on historical data, that stage 3 clutch will eat your accumulator at some point. Especially if yours is a DD. You can either keep putting more accumulators in for cheaper, or bite the bullet and spend for the conversion and never have to worry about it again.

Just revisit this thread if and when your fails. There are several cases of guys replacing 4-5-6 accumulators with the stage 3 clutch kit. That's quite a lot of money.

 

First time I put in my clutch after the convesion, I thought "Oh Crap, this is stiff." I got used to it in about 5 minutes. I would never go back. The only difference in my driving now is that I was in the habit of keeping the clutch pedal in at lights, drive thrus, etc...., and now I just pop it in nuetral. Just do it, it really makes the car more fun to drive.

 

When I purchased my car it had a upgraded clutch and LWF. The shop that did the PPI told me that with the clutch and LWF it was very hard to drive. I have had LWF and higher performance clutches in several of my cars and loved them (I figured the guys at the shop were wimps). When I picked up the car I stalled it 5 times trying to back out of the sellers driveway. The drive home was terrible. The car was almost impossible to take off from a start with any sort of incline. The catch point was way at the top of the pedal travel and inconsistent. When i searched the forums everyone said this was a way of life with these cars and a upgraded clutch, get used to it. The clutch was so bad I literally did not want to drive the car. I was so disappointed. Here i purchase this great car that was miserable to drive.
The GT2 conversion was mentioned by several people as a big help. I figured it was easier to install the GT2 conversion than replace the clutch and flywheel (or sell the car). The GT2 conversion helped a lot the catch point was still very high but now the car was drivable. I ended up modifying the rod and attachment on the master cylinder to make it adjustable. Now it is great. I have had several 911's (still have some) and i don’t think the clutch is any harder than my 78 911 SC or 91 964. You have to add the GT2 helper spring. I drove the car a little with the stock helper spring and it took a lot of force. Having done the GT2 conversion this is how the car should have come. I would highly recommend it to anyone. I cant express how much better this made the car to drive.

john