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Old Apr 24, 2011 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by OS Inspector
how much did you dyno?
i never put it on a dyno,but i pulled several 1 liter bike.
 
Old Apr 24, 2011 | 03:06 PM
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Okay maybe you should stop looking for hp and talk performance. And before anyone jumps on me remember two things - one that I was probably one of the first to support USA products via Todd and Markski and secondly that my company now works with Markski.

I did run a 20g set up with all supporting mods and this was independently verified at Bruntingthrope (2 mile straight in middle of England) by 911&Porsche World magazine as quicker than Maclaren F1 and Buggati V on the same track. Yes I know that the new Buggati is quicker and so on. But you can only compare on the same circuit and this is a slow track, on an incline for the best part of 1.2 miles and so on.

You can see the numbers at http://www.nineexcellence.com/news/f...4140a15-7.html

And that was not me driving it that day. The guy stopped at 205.6 after just 1.19 miles and ran 22.5 seconds to 300kph. He had a very slow start. On the same day I ran 5.85 to 100mph. But it was about him driving and not me.

Anyway, the engine was stripped last week and all that was done on stock bottom. The engine was perfect after 8k mileage at 1.5 bar on vpower99 (USA = 94/5approx). The car has 85k mileage with the last 40k mileage in various stages of tune.

Now we are putting on a custom kit from Markski and the kit will be called 9E911. It will run 911 hp on vpower99. Not race gas, standard pump 94/95 USA.

Our target it 16-18secs 0-300kph.

Top speed is 219mph. Our target is 205mph in one mile, since it is on a 1.37% incline to 1.2 miles approx.

On the previous kit, we ran 209mph (gps verified).

And we are building the motor - pauter rods, cometic gaskets, racewear studs/bolts etc.
We are leaving it at 3.6litre. See no reason to change since that is how the engine was designed.

We will run in an event on 14th May.

So what I would say, is set yourself a target of performance, not hp. That can be 60-130mph, or 0-300kph.

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Old Apr 24, 2011 | 04:17 PM
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Anyway, the engine was stripped last week and all that was done on stock bottom. The engine was perfect after 8k mileage at 1.5 bar on vpower99 (USA = 94/5approx). The car has 85k mileage with the last 40k mileage in various stages of tune.
Wow this leaves me speachless....

Wish you to accomplish your (insane) future targets!
 
Old Apr 25, 2011 | 09:57 AM
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996 alot , has a point everyone always focuses on horsepower , but some forget about power under the curve ,yeah your car can be peaky and hit high Hp some where in the power band they die off , as oppose power under the curve...

if some of you remember that old porsche tuner shootout , where protomotive beat everyone running less horsepower..
 
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Originally Posted by 996ttalot
Okay maybe you should stop looking for hp and talk performance. And before anyone jumps on me remember two things - one that I was probably one of the first to support USA products via Todd and Markski and secondly that my company now works with Markski.

I did run a 20g set up with all supporting mods and this was independently verified at Bruntingthrope (2 mile straight in middle of England) by 911&Porsche World magazine as quicker than Maclaren F1 and Buggati V on the same track. Yes I know that the new Buggati is quicker and so on. But you can only compare on the same circuit and this is a slow track, on an incline for the best part of 1.2 miles and so on.

You can see the numbers at http://www.nineexcellence.com/news/f...4140a15-7.html

And that was not me driving it that day. The guy stopped at 205.6 after just 1.19 miles and ran 22.5 seconds to 300kph. He had a very slow start. On the same day I ran 5.85 to 100mph. But it was about him driving and not me.

Anyway, the engine was stripped last week and all that was done on stock bottom. The engine was perfect after 8k mileage at 1.5 bar on vpower99 (USA = 94/5approx). The car has 85k mileage with the last 40k mileage in various stages of tune.

Now we are putting on a custom kit from Markski and the kit will be called 9E911. It will run 911 hp on vpower99. Not race gas, standard pump 94/95 USA.

Our target it 16-18secs 0-300kph.

Top speed is 219mph. Our target is 205mph in one mile, since it is on a 1.37% incline to 1.2 miles approx.

On the previous kit, we ran 209mph (gps verified).

And we are building the motor - pauter rods, cometic gaskets, racewear studs/bolts etc.
We are leaving it at 3.6litre. See no reason to change since that is how the engine was designed.

We will run in an event on 14th May.

So what I would say, is set yourself a target of performance, not hp. That can be 60-130mph, or 0-300kph.

Ken
Sound interesting

What is ur 100-200 and 200-300kmh...if u don't mind of course?
 
Old Apr 25, 2011 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by autodynamics
i never put it on a dyno,but i pulled several 1 liter bike.
What ever happened with your 60-130 time?
 
Old Apr 26, 2011 | 08:10 AM
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What is ur 100-200 and 200-300kmh...if u don't mind of course?
100-200 was 5,74 and 200-300kph was 13.13, 100-320 was 18.20, 100-330 was 21.27

Of course you can go faster between 100-200 and 200-300 on dedicated runs. And I wasn't driving the car. The editor of the magazine was over 1 sec slower to 160kph that me on the day.

Here is the graph from that day.
 
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Old Apr 26, 2011 | 08:12 AM
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On my 20g setup at 1.44 bar my 0-300kph time was 21.45 Looks like these setups run fairly consistently.
 
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@996ttalot

Ok you talk about performance and the performance of your car is great!

But: in the artikle you talk also about hp an with this 100-200 and 200-300 times I cant believe that your car has 800hp!
My car (996 Gt2) had 640hp on the crank and maybe with better conditions of the fans it can get 700Ps and my personal best was 5,2 sec. 100-200 km/h...

i run 1,4bar of max. boost!
 
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Ok you talk about performance and the performance of your car is great!

But: in the artikle you talk also about hp an with this 100-200 and 200-300 times I cant believe that your car has 800hp!
My car (996 Gt2) had 640hp on the crank and maybe with better conditions of the fans it can get 700Ps and my personal best was 5,2 sec. 100-200 km/h...

i run 1,4bar of max. boost!
As I was saying here in lie the issue with hp.

However, several points
1) The car is a tiptronic so crank hp to whp is approx 25-25% loss, not the same as manual which is around 12-15%.
2) The numbers on that day was on an incline of 1.37%, not your normal 2-2.99% decline that everyone runs
3) The car weighed with driver and fuel on the day @ 1690kg - a lot more weight than yours I would guess
4) I have beaten your personal best time many times when just trying to perform a 100-200kph time.

The fact that it beat the Veyron from 150-200mph shows the strength.

Finally and probably a better proof of hp would be the 139.6mph @ 10.8 seconds with 1660kg weight. I would say that is pretty close to 800hp.
 

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One last point - if you look at the 9ff r1000 which runs 17 seconds 0-300kph, it actually takes 8.4 seconds to run the first 160kph.

100-200kph is too short an increment to measure hp. However clearly it is a measure that you can compare cars by, just like 60-130. But you can have a car that is slower 100-200 and yet have more hp.
 
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Hey Guys,,Can any of you big hitters PLEASE take a look at the thread I started about dual fuel pump kits,,,,,Thank You....I would really appreciate it,,,I am stuck....Have a great day...
 
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Originally Posted by 996ttalot
As I was saying here in lie the issue with hp.

However, several points
1) The car is a tiptronic so crank hp to whp is approx 25-25% loss, not the same as manual which is around 12-15%.
2) The numbers on that day was on an incline of 1.37%, not your normal 2-2.99% decline that everyone runs
3) The car weighed with driver and fuel on the day @ 1690kg - a lot more weight than yours I would guess
4) I have beaten your personal best time many times when just trying to perform a 100-200kph time.

The fact that it beat the Veyron from 150-200mph shows the strength.

Finally and probably a better proof of hp would be the 139.6mph @ 10.8 seconds with 1660kg weight. I would say that is pretty close to 800hp.
I have a programm that corrects incline or decline so it dosnt matter

Do you have a *.dbn file of some of your runs that were better than 5,19 from 100 to 200?

I was driving 4th gear only for this run

I
 
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Originally Posted by 996ttalot
100-200 was 5,74 and 200-300kph was 13.13, 100-320 was 18.20, 100-330 was 21.27

Of course you can go faster between 100-200 and 200-300 on dedicated runs. And I wasn't driving the car. The editor of the magazine was over 1 sec slower to 160kph that me on the day.

Here is the graph from that day.
Those very good results on tip car with pumpgas

Have u ever think to try MS109 or C16?

Ur car ran right now ran almost as quick as tip 997tt w/modded vtgs on racegas or meth/pumpgas mix which should around 640whp
 

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On my 20g setup at 1.44 bar my 0-300kph time was 21.45 Looks like these setups run fairly consistently.
I believe he has built tip tranny by MKB which made the car shifting damn quick
 


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