For the guys that bought their Porsche at a dealer, did you take the car to an indy shop for a PPI or did you have the PPI done at the dealership?

Thanks

-jeff

 

I would have the PPI done at a shop that has no vested interest in the car, other than being paid by you to do the inspection.

 

Yes, AND

I would specify precisely what they were inspecting in the PPI and what criteria they will be using.... do not assume 'a PPI is a PPI'...every shop has a different idea.

OP- is this 'dealership' a Porsche dealer, or used car lot?

 

I did, at the dealer , but was getting the car cpo certified. I would have them do it only if they were going to cpo the vehicle. Otherwise go indy.

 

Same here. Only 3k on it when I bought it CPO.

 

I am looking at an 09 with 16k miles thats cpoed through 1/2015 from a porsche dealership. I live out of stated form the dealership. Can I rely on them to do the PPI?

 

No.

Would it surprise you to know a CPO car can have bodywork and repaint? That if there are any defects in how the repairs were performed- hidden damage, or problems with seals, color match, etc- the CPO warranty will not cover any of that?

Odds are low that there are issues- it is a pretty new car- but you are taking a calculated risk. Pay to have a different dealer/indy do a PPI. Also, specify WHAT you want inspected with the PPI- there is no "standard PPI"

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the CPO is for all intents and purposes a certification from porsche that the car is up to spec on their CPO "list", and they are certifying that everything works or is within acceptable factory "spec". once certified, you'll find that warranty is about as good as it gets. the newer coverage ( it changed at some point in '08 or 09? i think ) is very close to the new car coverage in terms of what's covered and what isn't ( exceptions ) and is pretty much "bumper to bumper". if memory serves, they fixed everything i ever brought them under cpo, although the hundred dollar handshakes can not have hurt

as long as the car is porsche "certified pre-owned" when you're buying it, then any dealership will suffice since the "CPO" supercedes an indie PPI. they all use the same standards and will assist with repairs and coverage to the same degree, regardless of locale or geography relative to the dealership and where you bought/certified.

down the road, they *may* fight on some *borderline* failure warranty issues, ( as they once attempted with me ) but ultimately have too much vested in their "reputation" to mess around, and are pretty good at fully repairing their cars while under CPO coverage.

so, yeah. let the dealership cpo the car, and you're good for two years beyond the original date of warranty expiration.

also.. once you own it, drive the dogs*it out of it just before cpo expiration date and they'll fix the last few issues that WILL crop up

 

Strange advice.

Anything they 'miss' in a CPO is YOUR problem.

^^This post seems to assume the CPO inspection is accurate, is performed, and is complete...not necessarily. As I said, cars with poor paint/body repairs CAN pass CPO.

There was a member here who bought a CPO from a VERY well known dealer- turns out the motor had been flashed, extensively modded, roll cage poorly removed, etc, etc, Dealer refused to make it right; PCNA threatened that prior mods would 'void' CPO. Ugly. People like to think the dealer has too much invested in their brand, etc, etc...but that's hogwash.

'02 are you telling him a CPO gives him the same risk reduction as an indy inspection? Not the warranty, that is a given- but the INSPECTION of what you are buying aspect of this. (Anyone that thinks the dealer mechanics measure things to "within factory tolerances"...) Brake pads and tires- that's it. They dont even dump the DME for over-rev data!

 

authorized dealerships have much at stake vis a vis their reputation, and pcna, as you know. that's why the customer satisfaction survey info is made available to pcna, and they ask specifically about the customer's "dealer experience". if a dealership has too many complaints or does not hold itself to some measure or standard pre set by ( presumably? ) pcna, the dealer can lose their status or affiliation with porsche. this happened in fact to the dealership where i bought my first car. they ( and for that matter pcna ) take warranty problems pretty seriously. that was my experience after having to deal with pcna on a warranty issue back in the 993 era.

and sure, they may "miss stuff" on the checklist when they cpo it ( and the list has, what. 150 items on it? ), but that won't in any way abrogate porsche's responsibility to FIX IT should it fall within the normal terms and conditions as outlined in the original or "pre-owned" warranty.

based upon that, i don't think that sharing with someone advice to let a dealership CPO a car, in lieu of an indie PPI, is "strange advice". but you do, and that's fine.

my point is simply, if you're buying a porsche directly from porsche,.. you don't need anyone to independently advise you as to its condition, provided they "certify" it. porsche's cpo procedure is sufficient. in my experience, of course

 

Porsche dsealer

 

If it's CPO for almost 3 years I wouldn't really worry about the PPI personally. They basically did the PPI already in order to give it the CPO stamp. Of course how good that was depends on the particular tech and how many beers he had the night before.

CPO means you can get it serviced at any Porsche dealer nationwide so you're fine there. All of this of course also depends on how long you're going to keep it. I buy cars more often than most people buy shoes so for me long-term items aren't really something I worry about.

I'm normally very stringent about getting used cars inspected, but on my current Porsche Turbo I didn't have any formal inspection done. "Holy crap you're stupid!" is leaving everybody's mouth right now, but I had a long-time dedicated Porsche guy I trusted go do the test drive and paint inspection since I was in Colorado and the car was in Tampa. I was also offered a 4 year / 48k mile warranty with a $100 deductible before I bought it for only $3500. 3 years later and nothing a PPI would have found has come up. I did have a rubber O-ring on top of the engine fail requiring them to drop it to fix the $8 part, a blown head unit, and a blown alternator. Almost $10k in repairs, but a PPI wouldn't have found any issues, and I've only paid about $500 out of pocket (plus the warranty of course).

 

I think a CPO and PPI are really two different and separate things. CPO is a warranty (backed by Porsche). PPI is just an inspection to tell you the condition of the car. Sure, they have to do an inspection in order to certify, but once it's certified you'll basically have certain parts (and labor) covered under warranty. For the few things I had fixed under CPO, they pretty much just punched it up on the computer and either the part, labor or both were covered by CPO -- or not. The list of what's covered is not dependent on the history of the car (or how it was inspected before purchase). Of course, this can change if there are obvious abuses or mods related to the failure.

I'd propose that if you want to know more about the car than what it takes to be CPOed, then go ahead and get a PPI. If you're concerned that your dealer will be biased in the PPI since they're trying to sell you the car, then get the PPI elsewhere. If you want a pretty good warranty that is backed by Porsche, then you should try to get a car that's eligible to be CPOed. Even if it's eligible, you might have to ask for CPO -- as the dealer doesn't have to do the CPO since it costs them something.

 

I've seen the manual Porsche dealers are supposed to follow to CPO a car, as well as the PPI lists used by several dealers. The CPO list was always the same, but the PPI varied by dealer. But in all cases, the CPO list was always more thorough. Have you seen it the other way around?

I had a PPI done once and they actually just used the CPO list and checked the entire car. That's a steal IMHO for $249 or whatever I paid for it.

 

Car is mechanically covered so no worries there. However if i was you, i would ask the dealer to send me the following information on the car

1)-Paint meter reading and yes they all have the paint meter.
2)- Tire tread depth and yes i would need the measurements
3)- Condition of the wheels and no i don not want any curb or peeling clear coat wheels
4)- I need pictures of the car especially the front and the rear bumpers and no i do not want chipped front end or mis matching bumper paint.

The rest should be OK as it is certified.