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ok ok , i agree.... i would also go with the Gt2.
I don't think you can draw that conclusion, honestly. The two are so different from so many different points... If an 08GT2 is selling for 100K and is in excellent condition, I'd expect an 04GT2 to be no mor than $75k, regardless of the mileage.
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It's in CT, and was in a car crash in September last year. And the one cars.com lists at $89K for Haydon Brothers isn't a GT2 - it's a turbo.
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Depends what you want do with the car I guess. For street use, I think the 997 TT would be better. I also prefer both the styling and interior of the 997 + it is newer.
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The car is worth 90-100K. All the BS about parts needing lubrication etc.. are just that. As long as the car has been garaged and properly maintained (there is a time based as well as mileage based maintenance schedule supplied by the factory). Judging by the mileage I'm sure it's in near new shape and simply can not be compared to an auction car 40-50K mile turbo of which some 6,000? were shipped to the US between 2001-2005.
Some may prefer a 997T at those prices (there are people paying $80K for a well optioned new Boxster S these days) but neither car is a GT2 and certainly not an 04-05 GT2 of which only 29 were made (24 2004 models and 5 of the 2005 model). The 29 cars 04/05 cars had different spring rates and valving and unique rear suspension arms to complement the already different front uprights. All GT2s ride significantly lower than turbos can be lowered while maintaining suspension travel, geometry and can support race car levels of alignment right out of the box. You either want a GT2 or you don't. It's a lightweight 3,150 lb, low center of gravity track car with a bulletproof drive-train that can easily be driven everyday. That's a good 250-450lb less than a typically optioned TT.
An low owner, clean carfax, well maintained car is no comparison to most eBay auction cars that set the low water mark on expected price. Many of those cars have been used and abused, sold, crashed, re-sold, repaired and polished to look pretty. There are many auto enthusiasts here that understand that key components are mileage, maintenance history and an owner who allows proper warmups, cool-downs and generally respects the machine. There are also many that don't quite understand quality and think that price is the lowest common denominator. In reality most people who buy Porsches want a toy that has been properly maintained in tip top shape that hasn't been abused. That doesn't mean not driven hard, just driven properly.
Finally, when it comes to the rarer models, a bone stock car will generally demand top dollar. Either because the buyer is a collector type who wants the car to be as the factory intended, or because the buyer wants a clean slate to do their own mods. let's face it, it's difficult to buy a max effort car and not worry whether there is some underlying damage.
I'm off the soapbox.
Some may prefer a 997T at those prices (there are people paying $80K for a well optioned new Boxster S these days) but neither car is a GT2 and certainly not an 04-05 GT2 of which only 29 were made (24 2004 models and 5 of the 2005 model). The 29 cars 04/05 cars had different spring rates and valving and unique rear suspension arms to complement the already different front uprights. All GT2s ride significantly lower than turbos can be lowered while maintaining suspension travel, geometry and can support race car levels of alignment right out of the box. You either want a GT2 or you don't. It's a lightweight 3,150 lb, low center of gravity track car with a bulletproof drive-train that can easily be driven everyday. That's a good 250-450lb less than a typically optioned TT.
An low owner, clean carfax, well maintained car is no comparison to most eBay auction cars that set the low water mark on expected price. Many of those cars have been used and abused, sold, crashed, re-sold, repaired and polished to look pretty. There are many auto enthusiasts here that understand that key components are mileage, maintenance history and an owner who allows proper warmups, cool-downs and generally respects the machine. There are also many that don't quite understand quality and think that price is the lowest common denominator. In reality most people who buy Porsches want a toy that has been properly maintained in tip top shape that hasn't been abused. That doesn't mean not driven hard, just driven properly.
Finally, when it comes to the rarer models, a bone stock car will generally demand top dollar. Either because the buyer is a collector type who wants the car to be as the factory intended, or because the buyer wants a clean slate to do their own mods. let's face it, it's difficult to buy a max effort car and not worry whether there is some underlying damage.
I'm off the soapbox.
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The car is worth 90-100K. All the BS about parts needing lubrication etc.. are just that. As long as the car has been garaged and properly maintained (there is a time based as well as mileage based maintenance schedule supplied by the factory). Judging by the mileage I'm sure it's in near new shape and simply can not be compared to an auction car 40-50K mile turbo of which some 6,000? were shipped to the US between 2001-2005.
Some may prefer a 997T at those prices (there are people paying $80K for a well optioned new Boxster S these days) but neither car is a GT2 and certainly not an 04-05 GT2 of which only 29 were made (24 2004 models and 5 of the 2005 model). The 29 cars 04/05 cars had different spring rates and valving and unique rear suspension arms to complement the already different front uprights. All GT2s ride significantly lower than turbos can be lowered while maintaining suspension travel, geometry and can support race car levels of alignment right out of the box. You either want a GT2 or you don't. It's a lightweight 3,150 lb, low center of gravity track car with a bulletproof drive-train that can easily be driven everyday. That's a good 250-450lb less than a typically optioned TT.
An low owner, clean carfax, well maintained car is no comparison to most eBay auction cars that set the low water mark on expected price. Many of those cars have been used and abused, sold, crashed, re-sold, repaired and polished to look pretty. There are many auto enthusiasts here that understand that key components are mileage, maintenance history and an owner who allows proper warmups, cool-downs and generally respects the machine. There are also many that don't quite understand quality and think that price is the lowest common denominator. In reality most people who buy Porsches want a toy that has been properly maintained in tip top shape that hasn't been abused. That doesn't mean not driven hard, just driven properly.
Finally, when it comes to the rarer models, a bone stock car will generally demand top dollar. Either because the buyer is a collector type who wants the car to be as the factory intended, or because the buyer wants a clean slate to do their own mods. let's face it, it's difficult to buy a max effort car and not worry whether there is some underlying damage.
I'm off the soapbox.
Some may prefer a 997T at those prices (there are people paying $80K for a well optioned new Boxster S these days) but neither car is a GT2 and certainly not an 04-05 GT2 of which only 29 were made (24 2004 models and 5 of the 2005 model). The 29 cars 04/05 cars had different spring rates and valving and unique rear suspension arms to complement the already different front uprights. All GT2s ride significantly lower than turbos can be lowered while maintaining suspension travel, geometry and can support race car levels of alignment right out of the box. You either want a GT2 or you don't. It's a lightweight 3,150 lb, low center of gravity track car with a bulletproof drive-train that can easily be driven everyday. That's a good 250-450lb less than a typically optioned TT.
An low owner, clean carfax, well maintained car is no comparison to most eBay auction cars that set the low water mark on expected price. Many of those cars have been used and abused, sold, crashed, re-sold, repaired and polished to look pretty. There are many auto enthusiasts here that understand that key components are mileage, maintenance history and an owner who allows proper warmups, cool-downs and generally respects the machine. There are also many that don't quite understand quality and think that price is the lowest common denominator. In reality most people who buy Porsches want a toy that has been properly maintained in tip top shape that hasn't been abused. That doesn't mean not driven hard, just driven properly.
Finally, when it comes to the rarer models, a bone stock car will generally demand top dollar. Either because the buyer is a collector type who wants the car to be as the factory intended, or because the buyer wants a clean slate to do their own mods. let's face it, it's difficult to buy a max effort car and not worry whether there is some underlying damage.
I'm off the soapbox.
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as you know, the parts that wear out from a nearly ten year old car just sitting in a garage tend to be parts that don't have a service maintenance schedule, eg clutch accumulators, spoiler hydraulics and the like. it might not detract from the value of the car, but it's far from BS. i think it's a reasonable but surely not a deal breaking consideration. not to put too fine a point on it. i'm convinced those parts last longer with regular use, than not.
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i couldn't explain that. they're great cars, and more sought after than the turbo obviously. i wasn't suggesting it would ( or should ) factor in price, per se. a potential owner should be aware that certain parts on these cars fail through non use, more so that through normal use. though, i will readily admit that anyone buying a 7 year old car north of 100k is probably not concerned with a clutch accumulator. i just took exception to the notion that having these cars sit for extended periods wouldn't ( or couldn't ) contribute to premature failure of certain parts/components brought about mainly through non use. that's all i was sayin'. not absurd.
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An absolutely fair and accurate statement.
How do you explain this 2005 with 70 actual miles selling for $140K in an open auction. this wasn't even an auto auction, it was a government seizure auction. https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...et-enzo-2.html That was only about a year ago.
The people who want these cars will pay good money for them.
We're talking about a 6-7 year old car with little use, protected from UV rays and wear and tear. There are 11 year old 2001 cars going strong at 100k miles. The idea that a properly stored car wears more than one that is used and is debatable.
BTW GT2s do not have clutch accumulators or spoiler hydraulics to fail. In fact the permanent fix for turbos is to move to the GT2 non assisted clutch and fixed style wing thereby eliminating the wing hydraulics altogether. That alone addresses two of the turbo's Achilles heel issues.
Either way, this is a question of supply and demand on a very limited supply, lightweight track model which in many ways is Porsche's final unfiltered track car. The last car without PSM, torque vectoring, etc... A true driver's car.
We can ponder all we want. The proof is in the cash that gets exchanged.
How do you explain this 2005 with 70 actual miles selling for $140K in an open auction. this wasn't even an auto auction, it was a government seizure auction. https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...et-enzo-2.html That was only about a year ago.
The people who want these cars will pay good money for them.
We're talking about a 6-7 year old car with little use, protected from UV rays and wear and tear. There are 11 year old 2001 cars going strong at 100k miles. The idea that a properly stored car wears more than one that is used and is debatable.
BTW GT2s do not have clutch accumulators or spoiler hydraulics to fail. In fact the permanent fix for turbos is to move to the GT2 non assisted clutch and fixed style wing thereby eliminating the wing hydraulics altogether. That alone addresses two of the turbo's Achilles heel issues.
Either way, this is a question of supply and demand on a very limited supply, lightweight track model which in many ways is Porsche's final unfiltered track car. The last car without PSM, torque vectoring, etc... A true driver's car.
We can ponder all we want. The proof is in the cash that gets exchanged.
as you know, the parts that wear out from a nearly ten year old car just sitting in a garage tend to be parts that don't have a service maintenance schedule, eg clutch accumulators, spoiler hydraulics and the like. it might not detract from the value of the car, but it's far from BS. i think it's a reasonable but surely not a deal breaking consideration. not to put too fine a point on it. i'm convinced those parts last longer with regular use, than not.
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an excellent point! i completely forgot about the gt2 not having an accumulator, and then the wing isn't movable either! is it... so, all my points that made perfect sense to me before i'd had the third cup of coffee, now make far less. i sit corrected. i'll just cut and paste this into the next thread about buying a low mileage turbo, and try and propagate those notions another time. ha.
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GT2 is a classic.