look it up.

 

Don't need to.

How many 996 Turbos were sold and what percentage of them have had spoiler system failures?

 

then why did you ask?

enough so that any characterization of a spoiler problem on the 996t as "common" would be considered by most as "reasonable", and would prevent *most* people from arguing the semantics of the characterization.

but i understand you as "different", at least in that regard

 

Because I am interested in what data you are using to characterize my spoiler experience as "uncommon".

 

i don't believe you.

 

Why not?

Do you consider it unreasonable for me to ask for the data you used to reach your conclusion that my spoiler system experience is uncommon?

 

why not? because the reports of spoiler issues/failures ( whatever one decides to call them ) are legion, and not the stuff of myth AND.. i know that you know that. so, do i consider your inference that spoiler problems/failure are NOT common, "unreasonable"? yes, i do. particularly given your many years of participation in these forums. honestly, i think you are being deliberately contentious.

i think you should go for a nice long drive

 

I'm not at all being contentious. The fact that there have been threads/posts here about spoiler system failures does not mean these failures are common. As a matter of fact, I'd bet that some threads/posts are from the same car but different owner, in affect being rung up "twice" based on only one car, or in some cases it's a repeat problem from the same car/owner based on the real issue never being fixed to begin with (neither being conducive to good statistics). I asked you about percentages because it would represent hard data that could then be used to decide if the word "common" applied. Of course the definition of "common" would have to be agreed upon since some would opine that a 20% failure rate would be considered to be sufficient to rise to the level of "common", while others may believe it would require a 40% failure rate to reach "common". Using the very small sample size of this or another forum (Rennlist), or combining the two forums together in terms of "data collection", to form an opinion relative to the total number of spoiler system failures versus the total number of Turbos sold, would be short sighted.

And of course I have never seen any research that identifies spoiler system failures solely to the mechanics and design of the system and not to something owners may have done to the system that contributed to the failures (like excessive cleaning of the tubes, or applying something to the tubes in an attempt to perform periodic maintenance on them, or pushing down too hard on either side of the wing when detailing the car (wing extended)).

Do spoiler system failures occur? Of course. Are they common? That hasn't been statistically determined.

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now i just think you're batsh*t crazy, and will leave it at that. i hope you had a nice drive. i did.

 

And I think you can't intellectually support your opinion about spoiler system failures.

 

Here's my theory on the wing issue.

The first part of the issue is when the wing is in the down position, the piston seals in the rams are not being lubed as the seals are above the fluid. As the fluid pushes the pistons up to raise the rams, they are lubed with fluid.

The second part of the issue is the wing doesn't raise until 75mph.

Basically if you don't drive the car very often, don't manually raise the wing or rarely driven above 75mph, then the seals dry out and begin to leak.

If this is left unattended, then the wing will raise on one side and not the other causing the pistons in the rams to bind. As the pump continues to try to raise the rams, damage then occurs in the pump itself.

I could easily see the seals in the wings lasting a long time if the wing is cycled up at least a couple of times a week.

Just my 2 cents,
Steve

 

Thanks, Steve, for justification for driving 75+. Not that I needed one, but it's good to know that as well as having fun, I'm also doing passive preventive maintenance.