996 Turbo / GT2 Turbo discussion on previous model 2000-2005 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo and 911 GT2.

Chronic smoking at startup - experts?

Thread Tools
 
Rate Thread
 
Old Feb 14, 2013 | 05:19 PM
  #16  
sinKing's Avatar
Registered User
10 Year Member
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 1,120
From: Austin
Rep Power: 183
sinKing Is a GOD !sinKing Is a GOD !sinKing Is a GOD !sinKing Is a GOD !sinKing Is a GOD !sinKing Is a GOD !sinKing Is a GOD !sinKing Is a GOD !sinKing Is a GOD !sinKing Is a GOD !sinKing Is a GOD !
Did it start before or after the turbo upgrades? If after, was it immediately?
 
Old Feb 14, 2013 | 05:47 PM
  #17  
mikes996turbo's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 70
From: sydney
Rep Power: 21
mikes996turbo is just really nicemikes996turbo is just really nicemikes996turbo is just really nicemikes996turbo is just really nicemikes996turbo is just really nice
I did the water pipe pinning, exhaust, hoses, turbos, tune, injectors, bypass all at the same time, the car was off the road for a couple of months it did not smoke like this before all of the changes.
However the smoking has got significantly worse/frequent over the last couple of months since I have been driving it, something is deteriorating for sure.
 
Old Feb 14, 2013 | 05:50 PM
  #18  
mikes996turbo's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 70
From: sydney
Rep Power: 21
mikes996turbo is just really nicemikes996turbo is just really nicemikes996turbo is just really nicemikes996turbo is just really nicemikes996turbo is just really nice
I did notice when pressure testing the new turbo compressors side that it cant hold pressure, it leaks immediately into the CHRA's both do the same. Compared to the K16s which hold pressure for a fair while. I am not sure if this will in operation pressurize the crank causing this smoke, but if so why doesnt it smoke when running?
 
Old Feb 17, 2013 | 07:13 PM
  #19  
mikes996turbo's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 70
From: sydney
Rep Power: 21
mikes996turbo is just really nicemikes996turbo is just really nicemikes996turbo is just really nicemikes996turbo is just really nicemikes996turbo is just really nice
any further ideas from the learned crew out there, still smoking I need to give it up....
 
Old Feb 17, 2013 | 10:47 PM
  #20  
joetwint's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 2,566
From: new york
Rep Power: 604
joetwint Is a GOD !joetwint Is a GOD !joetwint Is a GOD !joetwint Is a GOD !joetwint Is a GOD !joetwint Is a GOD !joetwint Is a GOD !joetwint Is a GOD !joetwint Is a GOD !joetwint Is a GOD !joetwint Is a GOD !
Next step i would remove the exhaust and inspect the turbine wheel to check if it is oily or has oil residue.
 
Old Feb 18, 2013 | 02:31 AM
  #21  
mikes996turbo's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 70
From: sydney
Rep Power: 21
mikes996turbo is just really nicemikes996turbo is just really nicemikes996turbo is just really nicemikes996turbo is just really nicemikes996turbo is just really nice
nope, done that all spotless, the turbos are new...you would expect that as it only smokes a brief puff on startup, rest of the time its perfect
 
Old Feb 18, 2013 | 10:42 AM
  #22  
joetwint's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 2,566
From: new york
Rep Power: 604
joetwint Is a GOD !joetwint Is a GOD !joetwint Is a GOD !joetwint Is a GOD !joetwint Is a GOD !joetwint Is a GOD !joetwint Is a GOD !joetwint Is a GOD !joetwint Is a GOD !joetwint Is a GOD !joetwint Is a GOD !
take the headers off next is the valve seals as others have mentioned.....check if its wet in the exhaust ports after sitting overnight .
 
Old Feb 18, 2013 | 01:27 PM
  #23  
TurboTodd's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 677
From: Cleveland Ohio
Rep Power: 67
TurboTodd has a reputation beyond reputeTurboTodd has a reputation beyond reputeTurboTodd has a reputation beyond reputeTurboTodd has a reputation beyond reputeTurboTodd has a reputation beyond reputeTurboTodd has a reputation beyond reputeTurboTodd has a reputation beyond reputeTurboTodd has a reputation beyond reputeTurboTodd has a reputation beyond reputeTurboTodd has a reputation beyond reputeTurboTodd has a reputation beyond repute
When you fitted the Alpha28s did you remove the internals from the OEM check valve and install in the check valves supplied by Tial?
 
Old Feb 18, 2013 | 08:04 PM
  #24  
mikes996turbo's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 70
From: sydney
Rep Power: 21
mikes996turbo is just really nicemikes996turbo is just really nicemikes996turbo is just really nicemikes996turbo is just really nicemikes996turbo is just really nice
I did, actually purchased a brand new pair from Porsche and removed the check valved and filters and put them into the Tial supplied aluminum cases, installed correctly and checked they operate. In fact have pulled the turbos since and double checked, they are closed but with a good blow will open.
 
Old Feb 19, 2013 | 10:37 AM
  #25  
wross996TT's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 4,660
Rep Power: 254
wross996TT Is a GOD !wross996TT Is a GOD !wross996TT Is a GOD !wross996TT Is a GOD !wross996TT Is a GOD !wross996TT Is a GOD !wross996TT Is a GOD !wross996TT Is a GOD !wross996TT Is a GOD !wross996TT Is a GOD !wross996TT Is a GOD !
How many miles on the car? It seems you have tried 4-5 different oil types/mfg.?
 
Old Feb 19, 2013 | 03:24 PM
  #26  
mikes996turbo's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 70
From: sydney
Rep Power: 21
mikes996turbo is just really nicemikes996turbo is just really nicemikes996turbo is just really nicemikes996turbo is just really nicemikes996turbo is just really nice
60k on the car full books perfect running other than startup smoke, yes different oils no impact
 
Old Feb 19, 2013 | 03:25 PM
  #27  
mikes996turbo's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 70
From: sydney
Rep Power: 21
mikes996turbo is just really nicemikes996turbo is just really nicemikes996turbo is just really nicemikes996turbo is just really nicemikes996turbo is just really nice
Joe I believe valve seals would show up on trailing throttle, this has no issues there
 
Old Feb 19, 2013 | 03:43 PM
  #28  
johnspeed's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 3,636
From: chicago
Rep Power: 256
johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !
Originally Posted by mikes996turbo
Joe I believe valve seals would show up on trailing throttle, this has no issues there
With valve guides and seals that is not always the case,, But he said only after letting the car sit for 5mins.hot it smokes out both sides? Weird.
 
Old Feb 19, 2013 | 04:03 PM
  #29  
johnspeed's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 3,636
From: chicago
Rep Power: 256
johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !johnspeed Is a GOD !
I don't think our engines have any type of evacuation /vacuum system for crank case venting.
I guess pulling the exhaust headers would answer a few questions and so would pulling the plugs out after shutting off engine when it just starts to smoke.
 
Old Feb 19, 2013 | 07:54 PM
  #30  
Basic's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 209
From: Canada
Rep Power: 43
Basic has a brilliant futureBasic has a brilliant futureBasic has a brilliant futureBasic has a brilliant futureBasic has a brilliant futureBasic has a brilliant futureBasic has a brilliant futureBasic has a brilliant futureBasic has a brilliant futureBasic has a brilliant futureBasic has a brilliant future
mine used to smoke exactly as you described, initially I had M1 dealer changed oil and it was pretty bad. I changed to shell rotella T6 and it cleaned up mostly, but would still puff on a hot start, especially on a bit of a hill.

I had a small oil leak somewhere on top of the engine which turned out to be the manifold on the top of the case for the vent/breathing to the oil tank. Once I fixed this issue it completely stopped smoking. Only time I can get a small puff is if I start it cold to move it a short distance then when I restart it sometimes it gives up a tiny bit of smoke.

I think these engines being dry sumped are sensitive to any crankcase leak causing excess oil vapour to the intake.
 


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:51 PM.