i live right in that area. typically at 2:10 am it will be more or less empty and though the road is very windy you can use all lanes at that time and losing it into a curb is pretty inexperienced driving. Anyone know how fast the guys were driving?

 

Can you use a Halon fire supression system in the cabin of a car. Thought these basically removed the oxygen so the fire could not burn. Would that not suffocate the driver.

I have a halon system in my boat engine compartment due to the non-marine alternator I use for my stereo system. I was told that is how it works, but maybe I am wrong.

You do see a whole of fires in ferraris, especially 355s.

 

"Can you use a Halon fire supression system in the cabin of a car. Thought these basically removed the oxygen so the fire could not burn. Would that not suffocate the driver"

Im not sure how long it takes to fully discharge a 10lb system but I suspect less than 30 seconds to 1 minute.

Hypoxia blackout is probably > 1 1/2 minutes.
Brain damage likely over 5 minutes

 

Hey look at it this way, would your rather the oxygen be depleted
via "rapid oxidation", or discharging a little Halotron?
Besides I think you would have more to worry about than simple suffocation. I would worry more about the "permanent tan" aspect of being burned up....

 

I know the boys in that horrible accident. The Doyle boy (19 years old) graduated from Servite H.S. and was housesitting his uncle's home. He borrowed the keys tothe Ferrari to take his friend for a ride and never returned home.

Six weeks earlier was the other terrible accident on the 241 toll road that killed 2 more teenagers that were currently attending Servite.

I'm becoming a big fan of a graduated licensing sytem...anything to stop these sensless deaths.

 

I heard both kids went to Servite....so sad to hear, I went to Servite for HS back in the day as well...

 

how do the Italian car manufacturers get away with making such unsafe cars? i.e. so prone to bursting into flames....

 

You must be joking. The car hit a tree. What else is it supposed to do?

 

tell me there is no known issue with Italian exotic cars being VERY prone to catching fire in crashes... more so than 'normal' cars... and no, cars don't necessarily burst into flames when they hit things, even trees.

 

just like a pinto would

 

do you have any idea about how fast they were going?

 

It was reported that the car was going fast enough that it split in half.

 

cross - posted from another forum, don't know the original date, but it was posted on monday.

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my condolances to the families and friends involved.

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Second shock for Servite
Accident claims lives of two graduates of Catholic school in Anaheim still mourning crash that killed athlete in May.

By SALVADOR HERNANDEZ and NORBERTO SANTANA JR. and TIFFANY MONTGOMERY
The Orange County Register

ANAHEIM – Both were soccer stars and former classmates at tightknit Servite High School, the boys Catholic school in Anaheim. Their second year of college beckoned in the fall. But early Sunday, the two friends climbed into a borrowed Ferrari and sped down what some say is one of the most dangerous roads in the county.

Brian Doyel and Christopher Goessling, both 19, didn't travel far on winding Nohl Ranch Road before one of them lost control of the sports car and crashed into a tree about 2:10 a.m. The impact split the Ferrari in two, and it burst into flames. Police said the friends died instantly.

"Everything after the dashboard ended up in little pieces," said Stan Kruk, 45, whose home overlooks the crash site. "It's one of the worst accidents that I have seen."

It is unclear who was driving. Doyel had been housesitting nearby for his vacationing aunt and uncle, who owned the red Ferrari, said Dennis Doyel, Brian's father.

Police said they do not believe drugs or alcohol were involved.

Doyel's parents attended a prayer service Sunday afternoon in the Servite High School auditorium, where shocked friends and relatives mourned the loss of more young lives. In May, Jonathan Schulte, 16, a player on the volleyball team, died in a car accident while on the way to a school dance. His girlfriend, Gillian Sabet, 17, also died in the crash.

The short time between the accidents will be hard on the students, particularly for those who knew all three, said Raymond R. Dunne, Servite High School principal.

"This is such a tragedy that their lives were cut so short," Dunne said.

Dennis Doyel said he felt grateful for the support of friends, family and ex-teammates.

"Once a Servite, always a Servite Friar," Doyel said. "There's always a bond that keeps them together."

Brian Doyel, the oldest of three siblings, was an outgoing and athletic man, his father said.

"He was a fabulous friend to people," Doyel said. "There is nothing that he wouldn't do for someone."

After graduating, he gave up soccer to focus on his studies at Concordia University, Doyel said.

Goessling, of Placentia, had spent a year playing soccer at Irvine Valley College- and planned to attend Chapman University in Orange this fall. He was supposed to leave today for Big Bear with his Chapman soccer teammates for an informal preseason get-together, said Chapman head coach Eddie Carrillo.

"He was a great kid," Carrillo said. "We are all kind of in shock."

Goessling's mother was too distraught Sunday to talk to a reporter about her son.

"He was a good boy; she wants to make sure you write that," said Goessling's aunt, Renee Gaines of Covina. "He was devoted to his faith; his family loved him dearly. He had a terrific group of friends."

Those friends gathered at the crash site Sunday afternoon, where white wooden crosses, candles and pictures were placed underneath the now-blackened tree that burned when the Ferrari burst into flames. Friends prayed and cried on the side of the road.

"Whenever you picture (Doyel and Goessling), they're smiling and ready to laugh," said Kristen Laiola, 19, Goessling's girlfriend.

Laiola and Goessling had been dating since they were freshmen in high school. They both played soccer and wore No. 4 on their jerseys.

Residents living near the intersection of Nohl Ranch Road and Meats Avenue say the road is definitely dangerous and drivers nearly always ignore the posted speed limit of 35 mph. Accidents are not uncommon, they said. Several said their homeowner associations have raised the speeding issue with city officials.

"It's one of the most dangerous roads in Orange County," said Ravi Alexander, 35, who lives in the area.

The winding Nohl Ranch Road spirals through Anaheim Hills, mirroring the path of the 91 freeway, with few stops lights to break a car's momentum.

In December 2003, two young men were killed nearby when their speeding car crossed the center divider, colliding with a car coming in the opposite direction.

That accident came on the heels of another in 2001, when a truck driver lost control of his vehicle, killing a local optometrist and injuring six others near the intersection of Imperial Highway and Nohl Ranch Road.

Given the area's higher income bracket, many residents say, lots of expensive cars get their speedometers pushed to the limit on this road.

Add a younger driver to that mix, and the result can be deadly.

"These kids have access to fast cars," said Sam Omar, 46, a resident who owns a silver Ferrari 360 Modena. Another resident, Danish Gajiani, 22, says that's exactly why his younger brother isn't allowed near his yellow Lamborghini Gallardo.

"When you're a kid, and you get inside it, they get too excited and just want to drive," Gajiani said.

Anaheim City Councilman Harry Sidhu, who was elected this year and lives in the area, said he was not aware of any issues over the road. But after the most recent accident, he wants to find out more.

"I'll definitely be in touch with the police chief," he said.

 

The preliminary accident reconstruction estimates that the car was travelling at a little over 101 MPH at the time of impact. Given the grades and the curves on that road and the darkness of night, it is easy to understand how easily an inexperienced driver could lose control.

 

what f'ing tools. Since I live there and those fools could have crashed into me I am only glad they didn't take out anyone else on that crazy jaunt.